• trafficnab@lemmy.ca
      1425·
      22 days ago

      download firefox

      look inside

      80% of mozilla revenue is from google

      You can’t escape

      • sandbox@lemmy.world
        23·
        22 days ago

        Even if the Mozilla foundation went bankrupt tomorrow, Firefox would persist. It might not be as quick to update, but it’s an open source project that people will keep working on, regardless of the money.

        • trafficnab@lemmy.ca
          33·
          21 days ago

          Changing your search engine doesn’t stop Google from controlling 80% of Mozilla’s revenue or almost the entirety of the rest of the browser space

          • asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml
            5·
            21 days ago

            No but the US government might, and then where will Firefox be?

            Hopefully still kicking because I don’t want to go back to chrome

          • huzzahunimpressively@lemmy.world
            1·
            21 days ago

            I’m afraid to say that there are no such thing as “gratis” software. I guess as firefox user we have to pay a significant amount of money, but I guess that’s a dream in open source software community, and the most obvious consecuense is that they are going to find a sponsor

  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
    471·
    22 days ago

    > downloads desktop app

    > looks inside

    > it’s a webpage with a dedicated browser

    (Web 2.0 and it’s consequences…)

    • Saki@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      9·
      22 days ago

      Why even make a desktop app at this point? I get doing that if it has some inherent advantage over the web version, but why go through the trouble of making another program if it’s just gonna be the same but in electron?

      • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
        22·
        22 days ago

        Think of all that lovely data and tracking you can slurp up when unconstrained by the browser sandbox.

      • Johanno@feddit.org
        11·
        22 days ago

        A few advantages.

        1. You can make app specific notifications.

        2. You can stop worrying about security since you just lock the electron version

        3. The user thinks it is an actual app and that this is better.

      • MP3Martin@programming.dev
        7·
        22 days ago

        Example with Discord (a website and an electron app): You have to download the desktop app to have stuff like: game activity (show others what game you are playing), global hotkeys for stuff like muting microphone, local Krisp noise cancellation

    • tudor@lemmy.world
      81·
      21 days ago

      Why I dislike web apps. They make the devs lazy enough to not bother making a native app

  • comador @lemmy.world
    395·
    22 days ago

    I still prefer FF or Vivaldi over Google Chrome. Yes Vivaldi is Open Source Chromium, but at least it doesn’t have the Chrome crap in it.

  • Teknikal@eviltoast.orgEnglish
    28·
    22 days ago

    My opinion I’d say lose chrome if you absolutely need a chromium browser use thorium any other time use Firefox or a fork of it like Librewolf.

    The reason I say Thorium is because this is in the readme.

    Manifest V2 support force enabled (Starting in M128 they are experimenting with disabling MV2). It will be completely removed in M136 (10 months from now), and when they finally do remove the actual code for loading MV2 extensions, it will be restored, because F**k Google! Even if it takes a crapload of work, I am determined to restore it, because without UBlock Origin working properly in Thorium, I wouldn't even want to use my own browser!
  • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
    161·
    22 days ago

    Mozilla Corp’s Gecko Engine has allowed several non-corporate flavored browsers into existence, such as various forks on their github or Waterfox.

    Then if you dont mind slow speeds you can try Tor Browser.

  • djsoren19@yiffit.net
    122·
    22 days ago

    What’s preventing me, a private user, from just creating my own web browser? it’s a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites’ server and display its files right? You can’t tell me that nobody else has ever wanted to make their own alternative, so why do we never hear about them?

    • Eiri@lemmy.world
      21·
      22 days ago

      It’s possible. But it’s a huge undertaking. If you just wanted to fully understand all of the specifications for HTTP, JavaScript and CSS, it’d take you days before having written a single line of code.

      Then you need to write all that in a performant way.

      Then you need to keep up with all the new features.

      Then you need to keep up with all the new security threats.

      Browsers nowadays are practically little operating systems. So the question is not that far off from asking what prevents you from writing an alternative to Windows.

      You can. But it’ll cost millions, or maybe billions, to build something good.

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
      20·
      22 days ago

      Probably the fact that you could work for the rest of your life and never catch up to the current spec. It’s enormous, and they’re adding more things faster than you could ever keep up with.

      Even MS couldn’t be bothered any more, and that’s a $3 trillion business.

      Which is why there’s only three browser engines in any kind of use.

    • Daxtron2@startrek.website
      18·
      22 days ago

      Because they’re giant applications that do a lot under the hood that you don’t see. Of course you can write your own, we did that during my degree but it was extremely basic.

    • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
      7·
      22 days ago

      a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites’ server and display its files right?

      In software engineering “just” is often considered a dirty word.

      Rendering HTML and CSS correctly is not trivial.

      Doing JavaScript to spec also is not trivial.

      Doing all your http verb network request stuff is also not trivial.

      Plus the interface (probably graphical) is a lot of work.

      There’s also probably a thousand other things that would eat up time. Displaying all the different image formats, for example.

    • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world
      4·
      22 days ago

      Time and knowledge. Browsers are basically almost an OS nowadays in capabilities. Yes you can build a basic HTML renderer quickly. But anything beyond that just takes a enormous amount of effort and time especially if you want to make it performant and secure. Like it’s very easy to accidentally introduce a vulnerability that can be exploited by someone. Like the last few generations of Nintendo consoles were hacked and jailbroken trough the browser. And that’s a browser build with WebKit by a team of engineers. Good luck doing it on your own, especially without Chromium or WebKit.

    • recapitated@lemmy.world
      4·
      22 days ago

      The main thing is technical nuances, and a never ending list of them.

      But you could start with something like lynx or elinks, but at that point you may as well just use lynx or elinks.

  • Reygle@lemmy.world
    51·
    22 days ago

    If you’re not a fan of Firefox right now, with the few odd decisions they’ve been making, try Floorp or Zen. They’re quite good forks of Firefox and don’t seem to have any of the recent Firefox oddness in them.

  • fiend_unpleasant ☑️ @lemmy.world
    2·
    22 days ago

    is there a way to force dark mode like in chromium? #enable-force-dark has been a life saver for me. I have a TBI and white screens are physically painful. I keep trying to go back to FireFox, but none of the darkmode addons seem to have this kind of always on, no exceptions kind of feature

    • Sourav Satvaya@lemmy.worldOP
      5·
      22 days ago

      So, you haven’t used the “Dark Reader” extension on Firefox. It has “automatic”, “scheduled”, “system default” options. Also you can disable or enable dark mode for specific websites.

      • Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
        1·
        21 days ago

        It needs overrides, because it regularly colors text inputs dark gray with black text. I have to turn it off for Salesforce, which has no native dark mode, when ideally I would just override the background color for text boxes…

        The worst part about light sensitivity and dark mode is that the closer you get to 100% dark mode coverage, without actually reaching 100%, the more painful and jarring every exception is.

    • Spectrism@discuss.tchncs.de
      3·
      22 days ago

      Dark Reader can do this, though it requires a little bit of tinkering. First you need to tick “Enable on restricted pages” in the Advanced section of Dark Readers settings (in the old design the settings can be found under “More > All Settings”). Then in about:config, all entries in extensions.webextensions.restrictedDomains need to be removed and privacy.resistFingerprinting.block_mozAddonManager needs to be set to “true”. If some of this doesn’t work, there’s also a GitHub Discussion with different solutions, but what I wrote here should do the trick.

      • Telodzrum@lemmy.world
        1·
        21 days ago

        Basicallly, yeah. It’s unfortunate, but there are really only 2 engines left – Blink and Gecko – (WebKit exists, but it’s almost exclusively used on Apple hardware. The days are gone when everyone had an engine and you could bounce around easily. I’m personally on Firefox main, but I keep Floorp around for backup.

  • one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world
    31·
    22 days ago

    Well… I know it’s chromium, but I have to admit Vivaldi is easily my favorite browser. It’s got a bunch of fairly unique features that I just can’t live without. It’s got tabs within tabs, tab tiling, a whole side car for websites that you can display while working on whatever Web page you need (works great for social media, music, messaging). I don’t have a link, but maybe worth checking it out.

    • Neon 🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦🇪🇺🏳️‍⚧️🇹🇼🇮🇱🏳️‍🌈@lemmy.world
      5·
      22 days ago

      tabs within tabs

      I use the Firefox “Tab Groups” Extension to get a similar result and I have to agree, it is so nice to keep order

      I prefer the Firefox “Tab Groups” Feature actually because I feel it’s more comfortable / has a more clear separation AND:

      It automatically freezes tabs and integrates with containers (kind of like browser profiles on Chromium but in the same Window)

      • one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world
        1·
        21 days ago

        Fair enough. I’m relatively sure that Vivaldi does the same freezing, however I haven’t seen documentation around it and I’m too lazy to look it up. I can say that tabs that haven’t been used in a while reload entirely when you switch to them.

        But I do like Firefox’s privacy. Limiting cookies to only cookies from that website is a nice touch.