Umm annon that was not the wild web. The wild web was in the 90’s and early 00’s. That was truly the wild web.
Nah I think they’re more or less right. I’d maybe pull it back 3 or 4 years, but not as far as 2004.
What killed off the old wild web was the popularity of centralised platforms. Facebook (open since 2006, really started taking off more around 2008/9), YouTube (first video 2005, really takes off from 2007/8), and Reddit (self posts first allowed in 2008), and other things like that which were admittedly great for allowing more people to share their creations with the world, but we’re disastrous for the open web, because they killed off independent blogs, forums, and other smaller websites.
MySpace was huge before Facebook, and it killed off a lot of blogs. Late 90s and early 2000s were truly the wild web IMO. I had a geocities page with its own forum before MySpace made me abandon it due to inactivity.
Webrings, RSS and dedicated blogs and forums were how we got around, Alta Vista would give you 1-2 relevant links eventually (after digging thing keyword spam) and then you’d follow the clues and links from each result and eventually strike gold. It was a skill that gate kept certain areas of the web, but in a good way.
But google was pretty awesome before it enshitification, same with Reddit and instagram (pre Facebook takeover).
We need a good non-profit search engine that can re-open the independent web that’s still there under the spam somewhere. But it sounds about as likely as overhauling the us election system, or reigning in capitalism in any way. Hard and expensive to rich people.
So it sounds like the Internet died in 2008.
I would say it contracted a terminal illness at some point around 2006±1 and went into palliative care in 2008±1, but didn’t fully die for another 5ish years. The death of Google Reader seems a good landmark to use, since RSS was a really helpful tool that became less necessary as sites became more centralised.
Right about with the uprise of the smartphone i guess
When people without computers were let loose onto the web.
Not me browsing this from my phone app, no siree.
It’s true that my original comment was also from my phone haha.
I remember watching saddam hussein hanging video when i was 12, good times
Ah the good old “korn_music_vide.wmv” that immediately cuts to someone in an orange jump suit on their knees.
Korn really getting intense with the new music videos
Ya, I remember the first time I went on rotten and my young mind was not prepared for it. Honestly I miss the good old days when the most shocking thing was lemonparty and tubgirl.
Don’t forget about the goatse man
No, that one is burned into my eyes forever.
deleted by creator
This sounds fucked but my mom actually was showing me these videos lol
Good god lemon.
Googling CD Keys, Torrents and Cracks was easy back then. DC++ was the way to go and Limewire was not yet Infested with CP and Viruses. There was a sweet spot but only for 2 years. After that, the golden age of Piracy with the File-Hosters came and Reddit wasn’t shit.
If I have to pinpoint the timeframe: When 4Chan got really unironic racist (and the Stromfront forum leaked to the rest)… oh and Facebook…
Oh man, we had DC++ semi-officially endorsed by the inter-college IT department at my university in 2013/14. It was fantastic, especially since in my first year we only got 5 GB of data per month (with a large number of unmetered sites, including anything from Google), so without the unmetered file intranet it’d have been really hard to manage. Unfortunately as they increased the data caps it killed the popularity of DC++, which ended up getting killed off not long after I left.
Too many beheadings in the wild web. But yeah, those years were really the wild web.
“I’m old” vs “I MOLD”
I like the latter more, said like Dr. Weird.
I didn’t realize it was supposed to be “I’m old” until your comment
Same here - and i like “i mold” a lot.
Actually it’s iMold, and electronic jello mold with a touchscreen developed by apple
It only displays the oldest memes while serving some disgusting salad inside the jello
i thought it was L mold, as in the way memes what have gone through a lot of “right click save” cycles have the jpeg artifacts described as mold, and that it was somehow lame
I knew it was “I’m old” just because I remsmber the old Fucki Mold joke…
As a nearly full time internet user since dialup, the web has changed a lot. Dynamic updates to websites is one of the nice things that’s changed. You no longer need to mash F5 to keep up to date on anything. Wifi is way better, though for a while there it wasn’t really a “thing”.
The people have changed for sure. Originally it was a lot of techies and nerds, either by circumstance or due to the efforts needed to make the internet operate. Most people online had similar hobbies and interests, so most people online were similar, and their interests varied only a little on specific things.
Ads were basically a joke. Everyone had a website, usually on Geocities or something. You’d spend hours painstakingly putting together your website, then when you went to other people’s websites, you’d skim over it and never look at it again.
No bots existed, if someone was talking to you, then you probably knew them somehow, or you were on a public forum/IRC. No YouTube, no Netflix, but mp3 file sharing was happening even before Napster.
There wasn’t a lot to do at first, but after you found a few websites you liked, whether Slashdot or fark, 4chan or something else, you were hooked. People were brutally mean, especially for sites like hotornot. No social media or social networks, no corporations, just people mostly. Most sites selling stuff were scams. Early eBay was a trip.
This all morphed into a more congealed mass when social media became a thing and “high-speed internet” was more readily available. WiFi g ERA, back when it was always referred to by the standard, 802.11g. only laptops for a while then the iPhone dropped and it’s been a steady downhill after that.
Now the internet is huge, everyone and their fridge is on social media. Ads are everywhere and worse than ever. Almost everything is trying to funnel you into one of a handful of categories that you don’t fit into to sell you something. A few gems still exist, like the Foss community and stuff like Lemmy.
IDK, the old web sucked in some ways, but was awesome in other ways. Now there’s just too much to keep up on, and unless you spend every waking moment consuming content, it’s basically impossible to do. Some people have staked their entire career on basically aggregating memes and popular stuff, to give an overview to those who don’t have the time to do it themselves.
Media streaming is pretty good, though, media companies keep trying to make it into the next cable TV bundle package, and keep raising the prices and enforcing rules that were not possible 20 years ago, and that sucks.
I’m don’t think that this is better. It’s certainly different, but not better. The way things are going well cause the internet to become a wasteland of AI bots and advertisements all run my corpos because everyone else will be unemployed and unable to find work because their job has been replaced by some AI or other technology that doesn’t cost the corp as much as humans do. I’m sure minimum wage and salaries will be corrected to match inflation right after the majority of the workforce is laid off to be replaced with whatever technology does their job for them, which will create an elite class of super rich (moreso than they already are) who own the company either through shares or by being in an upper management kind of position, and a “middle” class of the people hired to maintain and fix the technology… There will be no lower class, just a massive pool of unemployed people, unable to work because all the jobs have gone to, what is essentially, bots.
My prediction is that when that happens, it will maintain a steady state until the vast majority is living on unemployment benefits, at which point the unemployment system will collapse because the money will run out for it, and either we’ll go into a massive depression, which will set us back 50 years or more, or the entire system will collapse and either we will die off from all the pollution and destruction to the planet, or we’ll have to move to something that’s not capitalism to survive. I’m rooting for a star trek like economy, where your status is determined by reputation, and money no longer exists. Unlikely, but I still want it.
No idea when things will start to shift, but IMO, Amazon (the company) will make the first major move, since they burnout their workers so quickly (specifically in the warehouse and item delivery segment) that they’re already seeing the effects of running out of people willing to work in their warehouses in some areas, and as a consequence of them being unwilling to pay appropriately for the work, and/or afford the workers enough latitude to handle the work without burning out, by either hiring more people to reduce the workload, or give people… IDK, breaks to use the bathroom… They will very likely turn to robots to do the work instead. Once they get to that point, it’s all downhill as other companies will follow suit.
The people have changed for sure. Originally it was a lot of techies and nerds, either by circumstance or due to the efforts needed to make the internet operate
I agree, you had a lot of tech folks. But I think this undersells how many tech-proficient artists you had. Lots of people who knew just enough to get a website off the ground (or just knew who to ask for the answers) and then spent the balance of their time doing music or webcomics or long form prose.
I think the thing that’s strangling the web now more than every isn’t even “AI” or “bots” or “evil foreigners” so much as “sales and marketing people”. They’re fucking everywhere. Filling up my inbox. Spamming my invites list in every form of social media. Blowing up my phone. Grabbing every spare inch of screen space on every commercialized website.
If AI really was just a tool for artists and developers, I am convinced it would be an enjoyable addition to the Internet ecosystem. If the only bots were written by Slashdot and Stack Exchange forum flunkies, we’d have a plethora of useful little scripts and automated tools.
But because everything has to be marketing, and the shit that’s being marketed has to be as high margin as possible in order to capitalize on economies of scale, we are in an endless blizzard of shit I would never want and certainly never asked for.
Just a maelstrom of trash bombarding everyone who isn’t in a cubby hole like Lemmy.
it will maintain a steady state until the vast majority is living on unemployment benefits, at which point the unemployment system will collapse because the money will run out for it, and either we’ll go into a massive depression, which will set us back 50 years or more, or the entire system will collapse and either we will die off from all the pollution and destruction to the planet,
That last bit feels more likely than not, given the degree to which we’re churning up every acre of undeveloped real estate. We’re arguably already past the point of collapse.
But the idea that this will cause unemployment really hinges on the theory that AI can be cheaper and more ubiquitous than human labor. I’ve seen no evidence to support this.
On the contrary, AI is phenomenally expensive and inefficient. It’s a luxury (of sorts) that we’re subsidizing with longer working hours and a lower standard of living.
Modern AI is just another form of massive waste creation. When the bottom falls out of the market, it’s going to have to be one of the first things on the chopping block precisely because it is so resource intensive despite yielding so little
I suspect we’ll create a bunch of revisionist fantasies about how great 21st century AI was, a century from now when we’ve forgotten what it looks like. But in the meantime it’s not going to render us unemployed. It is going to bloat the economy with busy work jobs. Both on the front end fixing all the fuck ups that unmanaged automation creates and on the back end, as we scramble to clean up the mess it leaves behind.
There were plenty of bots, especially on IRC.
The difference is, those bots were useful. They’d send you MP3s, or Warez, or respond to prompts, or just hold down your channel in your absence. Until it got K-lined.
Those bots were good folk. They don’t speak until spoken to.
There were also bots in games which ruined things for the real players… and chat bots that tried to get you to download/install software which was actually a virus. Oh and tons of viruses back then, nothing like today.
Bots in games…like aimbots…I don’t remember being a serious problem. I played a shit ton of Quake and Quake 2 online. Maybe it was a big problem in other games, but I never noticed it.
Yeah there were lots of viruses, but McAfee was a decent program, and they had full versions of their software on their own FTP server that literally everybody knew the password to.
the iPhone dropped and it’s been a steady downhill after that.
Mobile, always on Internet was a game changer.
We are still in a phase of evolution where being networked is not essential, but I expect that to disappear in a generation or two.
That’s not how unemployment benefits work
Depends on where you live.
Unemployment benefits in the US are a short term (usually less than 6months) insurance plan that pays out only under qualified situations. Eg fired and without cause, after having paid into the unemployment system for either a set amount of time or hours. Also, since it’s a temporary payment, people will exit the unemployment system as others enter it - no one can be on it indefinitely. And last, the insurance is paid for by the individual who gets the money - it’s their money.
In my country, Canada, it goes hand in hand with welfare. One will often lead into the other if things go on long enough.
There’s a lot of complexity to it that I won’t get into, but the unemployment system likely can’t handle a rapid influx of new request, even from those that have paid into it.
It appears in Canada, unemployment benefits are indeed an unemployment insurance. In the US, this is paid into automatically from our paychecks, and id assume it’s similar in Canada but I could be wrong.
https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/ei.html
Yes it would be bad if a ton of people went on unemployment, it just wouldn’t work exactly how you’re describing. Unemployment isn’t UBI.
There’s a lot I can say here, but to be terse, the money paid into (un) employment insurance is more than what is paid out normally, since some people will pay for it all their life without ever collecting, that money isn’t just stored indefinitely, it’s used for other things.
As a result, if a large portion of the population suddenly find themselves without work, the system will be unable to sustain itself, whether “short term” or not. All systems that rely on EI overflow funds would suddenly have a deficiency in their money flow, and considering they the people pay most of the taxes while billionaires and corporations get tax breaks so that they pay nothing, the entire social support systems would collapse quickly, as the country plunges further into debt, devaluing the countries currency.
The entire economic model is built upon things maintaining and continuing mostly as they are, pull any thread too far and the whole thing unravels.
you dont miss old roblox, you miss having fun , a Roblox YouTuber
Exactly like this.
Veteran internet people sometimes go on about everything was smaller, different, blah blah blah, but I do always smell some sort of a nostalgia bias in their coments. Sure, there was some things that are better compared to now, but this is normal! Every decade has its ups and downs, and while not everything is perfect, you can’t forget the improvements that happened since then.
We live in an internet.
Anyone has one of those lists? Can we move these memes to peertube or something?
The ancient legendary YT meme that Anon has as his profile pic is Leek Spin by Xyliex, created 18 years ago! I think it also popularized the Levan Polka as a meme song staple long before it’s revival with Bilal the street drummer/cat vibing video.
And luckily it’s already on archive.org so we’ve got one down!
Do not cite the Deep Magic to me, Witch! I was there when it was written.
But they were all of them deceived, for another meme was made. In the land of YTMND, to the music of Three Six Mafia, the Edge Lord forged, in secret, a meatspin meme to troll all others.
And into this meme he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life. One meme to rule them all.
It’s the Ievan Polkka, “Ieva’s polka” where Ieva is a Finnish/Baltic variation of the name Eva.
Mu isamaa, mu õnn ja RÕÕM!!
Mine too (well, not my country but my joy, yes. What a beautiful and chill and foresty country. I miss it immediately when I leave.)
no way, another estonian.
I’m not Estonian, sorry, but I like to visit. It’s a beautiful country. I immediately recognized you by the õ 😄
ok
Profile pic, good one.
I can hear that!
4chan doesn’t have profile pictures. That’s the image anon posted
Kinda sad that it’s almost never mentioned that this is just a scene with Inoue Orihime from Bleach.
This didn;t aged so well…
Bassboost and deepfrying are already outdated and old memes by now
There is still lots of creative content but because of the sheer amount of people using the internet good content is drowned out by low effort engagement bait.
We can make it anew! I feel like Activitypub and federation has given us the tools to revive the old internet, made by our own hands.
I’m working on a decentralised sharing protocol, so that anyone can have their own website, I just have to find some people interested in testing it out 😊
The internet is now just a bunch of segregated echo chambers.
It always was in a way. In the early days only people with interest in the technology went online. Then, in the forum era, people found their communities and stuck with it. Only because of the rise of social media were suddenly all people on the same few platforms, which is now naturally splitting apart again into groups, subs, feds, etc
I can’t believe thanks to the internet undergoing enshittification I’m actually nostalgic for a time when it was casually racist, because that’s somehow better then this “Watching the words that we say, big brother corponet is listening.” bullshit
Somehow the bigotry of the old not-for-profit internet felt less harmful than the current model where corporatations fund bots to fuck everyone in the mental health for a grab at our empty wallets.
Back then the bigotry were mostly jokes than actual serious unironic targeting which you see festering nowadays.
A lot of it was ironic “It’s funny because we know it’s fucked up and wrong, if we legitimately agreed we wouldn’t think it was funny.”
Yeah, like a lot of racist humour in old british comedy shows is generally at the expense of the racist themselves, rather than who they’re mocking
Back in the YTMND days I was among the “Moon Crew”, people who made fads (what we called memes back then) about Moon Man. (The overtly racist version of the Mac Tonight character)
If I had known Moon Man would go on to be a symbol of the Alt Right, I’d have never had anything to do with the character.
Back then the joke was “Lol, Moon Man is completely insane and wacky.”, but in more recent Moon Man material the joke changed to “Moon Man is based cause he hates women and minorities.” and no one originally involved with how the character was back when he was a staple of YTMND has anything to do with it anymore.
No one actually had any support for the KKK, the chant just sounded funny on the old version of AT&T’s text to speech
And when Moon Man was involved in storylines the villains were usually folks like Charles Moonington (An undercover terrorists pretending to be a member of high society) or Goofy Clown Face (an unapologetic pedophile) who were demonstratably worse than Moon Man.
Now when I see the character he’s unironically supporting Trump, and actively battling against Sun Man (who in the original canon we made for the character was a self-hating black man who the “Three K Mafia” had to have around due to anti-discrimination laws requiring at least one black guy in the klan)
Moon Man was also shown as being clueless and out of touch with reality, because again, a major part of the character was that he was insane and not meant to be imitated.
It just pisses me off that he became a recruitment tool for Bigoted Movements, when again, he was largely satirical and meant to mock such backwards views. I mean shit, Moon Man’s “songs” were largely specifically parodies of and homages to famous rap musicians, that should have been a big clue right there that no one involved with the character’s inception actually hated black people. (That’s actually how I discovered Tupac, look this was like 15 years ago, I was an edgy teenager back then)
It makes me fully understand the pain Anthony Starr feels when he gets those fan letters about “What a good American Homelander is”, or how that guy who wrote that one comic felt when he had to kill off Pepe…
I was more thinking of the time people said the n word ironically, rappin for jesus and that guy who made that song about black people liking watermelon and kfc, as well as similar songs about white people, asians and arabs. My theory is that Etika’s death killed ironic usage of the n word along with PewDiePie’s bridge incident
I mean I kinda was too, no one was actually racist, it was just a gag… Instead of being a Alt-Right Nazi pretending it’s just a joke.
The Internet didn’t so much get less racist as it simply got sanitized because they realized that they weren’t extracting maximum dollar from non-white users. The hate simply got pushed further down into the dank miserable depths to fester while the rest of us get to pretend that racism isn’t still a massive problem because black people are a marketing demographic now…
Fun thing is that because of that, you could theoretically live you entire Internet life without ever encountering racism. Only theoretically though, because racism still happens everywhere casually.
I’ve always said the best type of media on the internet is almost no moderation because that means anyone can post anything.
People who post stupid or nonsensical things would just get ignored anyway, there’s no need for a mod tram to dictate what can and cannot be posted online. They should only exist to remove spam or brigading.
The wild west internet was great at this, we got some of the coolest communities and memes from all over the world.
Right around MySpace falling off, Facebook started agregiously taking over the majority of social media. Lots of forum sites are now dead or empty.
I wish we could use the dragon balls to revive forums.
That sounds like paranoia sir.
I feel like there’s some amount of nostalgia filter here.
Nah the first time I saw Leeroy Jenkins and some of the Habbo pool stuff I was genuinely laughing my ass off. Nothing gets me that high anymore.
People comparing the hits of yesteryear to the norms or even lows of today is a thing.
Back in the day, nostalgia was better
People thought the old memes were good?
People liked deep fried memes?
Whaaat?
Jesus Christ how young are you that deep fried memes are “old”??
Jessi Slaughter and many others.
There’s plenty of new good stuff on youtube still. Just a lot more junk as well
I know that flash animation alone was a HUGE part of the old internet. At least there is an archive for some of them called “flashpoint”.
Flashpoint is awesome. Makes me feel old to go back and watch old flash (and even shockwave) animations!
my knees hurt
Luckily for me it’s just my right big toe knuckle.
To be fair, All Your Base Are Belong To Us is still a banger that I may want to hear on my death bed.
Edit: what this does to me is that there is now programming language called “zig”, so you now can move zig.
They made other songs if you haven’t heard them btw, check out The Laziest Men on Mars
