• dan1101@lemm.ee
    365·
    5 个月前

    That’s weird, I thought I used SQL databases from government agencies regularly. Guess I was mistaken.

    • Susaga@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3131·
      5 个月前

      If you and Elon disagree about something, just assume he’s wrong about it. If you both agree on something, THEN you might be mistaken.

        • oo1@lemmings.worldEnglish
          113·
          5 个月前

          I hope the screenshot dude is also going to stop this unquestioning belief in the things people say or claim without evidence.

          Those first two paragraphs look like a tendency to prefer hero-worship to critical thought; that seems to be a fairly widespread problem in humans from long before this latest batch of demagogues.

          There’s also a hint of “I’m not an ‘expert’ in it so I can’t (be bothered) to understand anything about it” also a very depressingly common attitude.

          • frezik@midwest.social
            311·
            5 个月前

            We all have to rely on somebody to be an expert in fields outside our own. Years ago, if Elon said “Falcon 9 launch yesterday failed due to xyz”, I assumed he had the actual experts giving him notes. The Xhitter debacle showed how much he doesn’t listen to those people.

            • jballs@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              19·
              5 个月前

              It’s kind of funny, but we all do this to some extent. I used to think most people on Reddit were super smart. If someone says stuff with authority, then it’s easy to believe what they’re saying and assume they know what they’re talking about.

              But then every once in a while, I’d come across a topic that I know deeply about - and the comment would just be blatantly wrong, but still have tons of up votes. It really made me start second guessing all the other comments I had read and thought were smart, but it’s an easy trap to fall into.

              I guess what I’m really saying, is that you all are a bunch of morons, probably.

            • oo1@lemmings.worldEnglish
              25·
              5 个月前

              I just dont get why you have to assume that though?

              Maybe I’m a pessimist, but I’ve met and worked with enough humans that I think the best assumtion is that they’re all full of shit until they prove otherwise.

              It’s fine to rely on experts for some things, but if those experts aren’t subject to independent scrutiny or directly independent of the claim or sunjecy under test, or can’t give clear testable /replicable evidence, I’d just not put much weight on their testimony as a source of evidence.

      • cm0002@lemmy.world
        48·
        5 个月前

        If it’s tech he doesn’t know shit about it, I learned that years ago during the Twitter acquisition days

        He sounds like a CEO who “knows enough to fuck shit up, not enough to know how to fix it, but thinks they do” AKA the worst executive known to IT

          • Laurel Raven@lemmy.zipEnglish
            8·
            4 个月前

            How about the submarine he was going to build to save kids in a cave that obviously would have drowned long before he could have even really started work? But it’s okay, he could just accuse the guy who actually saved their lives of being a pedo

      • dan1101@lemm.ee
        45·
        5 个月前

        Indeed. I’m starting to think I can’t trust what that Musk guy says.

  • i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca
    3261·
    5 个月前

    Elon’s shock and fury about the database key sounds like he got a report from an out-of-breath 20 year old DOGE kid who thinks they’re hot shit and discovered some massive flaw.

    Elon also seems like the kind of person that believes a database schema is all that’s needed to govern a population.

    • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
      481·
      5 个月前

      Database schema = “Not fraudulant”, what’s so hard about that? Login credentials don’t even need to be encrypted if you say no fraud before you log in, and cross your fingers. It’s basic programming knowledge, come on man. Also throw some salt over shoulder and slaughter a goat for good measure just in case.

        • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
          15·
          5 个月前

          You joke, but one of the programs at my work we use legit doesn’t need credentials, just a username. That one’s a head scratcher to me.

          • brbposting@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            4 个月前

            Would that almost be OK if it were like 40 characters long? Like, you can view any photo on Google Photos if you have the right alphanumeric string

            Would still be saved insecurely in password managers and other issues though

      • renzev@lemmy.world
        5·
        4 个月前

        Login credentials don’t even need to be encrypted if you say no fraud before you log in, and cross your fingers

        Don’t forget to unset the evil bit as well!

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
        4·
        5 个月前

        Login? Why would I do that? Aren’t the credentials in the code? I just hit the go button.

      • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
        341·
        4 个月前

        I kind of doubt it. It’s been known that he’s a fraud of a coder for a while, that seems like a clear riff.

        Enough that I was really disappointed when Some More News talked about Zip2 like he was the sole founder and therefore must have been good at coding at some point.

        Btw, the guy he and his brother founded the company with died at 51.

        As a megarich techie… With the dirt on Elon’s real capabilities.

        Interesting.

        • jonne@infosec.pub
          31·
          4 个月前

          IIRC they kicked him out of PayPal because he wanted to run everything on windows instead of the Unix/Linux servers they were running on. And the reason for it was because he couldn’t figure out Linux.

  • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
    1785·
    5 个月前

    You know, the thing that always seemed really scary about the OG Nazis is that they were competent, intelligent, put-together people that were just fucking evil. Then you look at the US Nazis and the fucking bozo density is off the charts, but they seem to be succeeding anyway.

    Three possibilities come to mind:

    • These bozos are going to find out, hard and soon.
    • The OG Nazis were actually bozos too.
    • Competence and intelligence doesn’t actually matter in running a fascist regime
      • CleoTheWizard@lemmy.worldEnglish
        662·
        5 个月前

        They were more competent bozos. They ran Germany the way that your stupid friend gets laid more often because they aren’t smart enough to be embarrassed by themselves and they know only one goal.

        Whereas these guys run America like an ugly stupid person that insists that no, actually, they have already in fact convinced you to sleep with them despite what your words say and the goal is to confuse you into bed.

        • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
          41·
          4 个月前

          The best decision that nazis ever made was not to indiscriminately purge the military and bureaucracy. Purges certainly did happen but they were focused on the political class and very targeted elsewhere.

          They kept the systems people depended on running well to not immediately create massive public backlash… they also got lucky as hell. The military and populace were deeply bitter after WW1 and they leveraged grand gestures to great effect while changing relatively little administratively. The fucks in the US are making flaccid grand gestures while tearing down systems people actually depend on.

      • naught101@lemmy.world
        34·
        4 个月前

        Is it also a case of survivorship bias? Like, I am not super versed in Nazi history, but… There are famous “smart” Nazis like Goebbels and Himmler and Speer - are they only well known because a) they slowly emerged as influential and/or b) it became clear years later that they were the ones behind the wheel?

        'Cause I do think that trump and musk are dumb as bricks, but I don’t think Steve Bannon is, and there are probably others like him…

          • freebee@sh.itjust.works
            33·
            4 个月前

            I’m no expert, but this podcast series seems to suggest Von Braun was mainly very focused on shooting rockets to the moon and fiddling the right guys to get crazy amounts of funding for that goal. I’m not saying he wasn’t a nazi, he was, but exterminating jews etc was probably not his mean focus in life… In the Von Braun case it was propaganda towards his own leaders, to get lots of money. The reason he’s well remembered is not propaganda but because what he tried actually worked out very well and was the basis for pretty much every rocket since. If he’ld happen to live in Soviet Russia, he would probably have become a member of the communist party, whatever would get him more money/free labor for shooting new trials towards space.

        • parody@lemmings.world
          2·
          4 个月前

          🤔 💭

          What got President Musk & his sidekick elected, or rather what made their campaign successful?

          Low IQ but high emotional intelligence or like sociopathic intelligence?

          • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
            2·
            4 个月前

            Turns out when you’re born with a silver spoon in hand and are a dumb sociopath, you win in life instead of living in prison.

      • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
        1·
        4 个月前

        The high leadership were absolute bozos, except for their propaganda guy (Goebel?). And at the lower levels, they had good engineering (still do). Thankfully the higher ups were more interested in building an über-weapon (because that’s good propaganda) than actually winning the war.

        Let’s hope the current crop of nazis se their downfall faster. Actually, fuck hope. Let’s make them.

    • Snapz@lemmy.world
      471·
      4 个月前

      The nazis weren’t as competent and intelligent as you suggest, that work was outsourced to IBM - Yes, that IBM.

      You know that Watson product that IBM sells and advertises so often? R one that plays chess and was on jeopardy (Fun!) Turns out that Watson was the name of the dude that signed off on them accelerating the Holocaust for the nazis. Some believe the nazis couldn’t have been nearly as efficient at unrepentant large scale murder without IBM joining the fray, yet they skate on by…

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
      391·
      4 个月前

      It’s absolutely the second one. They basically all had brain damage from ww1 (who knew explosions are bad for you) and several of them including Hitler were drugged the fuck up. Julius Streicher was a clown, but not like a funny or sad clown, more like pathetic, like honestly comparable to someone from 8chan. Goebbels was a creepy loser. Hitler was a meth addict with ibs and anger issues who spent his last days just destroying the air quality of the bunker he would die in and kept invading countries despite already being at war. Heidrich died by personally chasing after antifascists who happened to have a grenade. And that’s not touching on their archeological or spiritual beliefs which are on par with qanon for believability and sensibility

      • jonne@infosec.pub
        9·
        4 个月前

        Yep, the actual competence was basically in the army (inherited from a long military tradition), so it’s important that those generals don’t cave.

      • Klear@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        4 个月前

        Heidrich died by personally chasing after antifascists who happened to have a grenade.

        That’s a fucked up way to describe the assassination.

    • LePoisson@lemmy.world
      22·
      5 个月前

      Hopefully all 3 but as the other poster said, Nazis really were clowns.

      Sure, Hitler had some early successes militarily - combined arms blitzkrieg was a new deal and effective - but it’s not like that won the war. Besides which there is just so much dumbass occult bullshit going on in the background with the Nazis like you would not believe.

      You don’t need to be smart or super competent to get a bunch of people killed. You just need enough people willing to pull the triggers and for the rest of the people to go along. Going along is easy until it ends with shit like the Holocaust.

      • zurohki@aussie.zoneEnglish
        20·
        4 个月前

        Going along is easy until it ends with shit like the Holocaust.

        Have you seen the reactions every time someone suggests it’d be nice if Israel stopped shooting people and taking their land? We’re pro-genocide now.

    • BassTurd@lemmy.world
      16·
      5 个月前

      I think some of the more intelligent US Nazis are letting the bozos do their thing and riding the coat-tails and avoiding direct blame if things turn. I’m looking at a good chunk of the House and Senate.

    • AGreenPurple@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      15·
      4 个月前

      Just look at the military decisions Hitler made, that was luckily an incompetent guy thinking he’s smarter than everyone else. That rings a bell, doesn’t it?

      In the long run, making less stupid decisions wouldn’t most likely have changed the outcome, but even more people would likely have died (and unfortunately the people executing the murder of the Jews weren’t as incompetent as their glorious leader).

    • josefo@leminal.space
      161·
      4 个月前

      OG Nazis were master manipulators, dressed cool as fuck and their propaganda machine was one of the best ever. Intelligent? There is no hard evidence of that, and their military strategies were poorly thought. They had fucking cool weapons and equipment, so maybe good engineers were involved, but that’s it.

    • Preston Maness ☭@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      6·
      4 个月前

      You know, the thing that always seemed really scary about the OG Nazis is that they were competent, intelligent, put-together people that were just fucking evil. Then you look at the US Nazis and the fucking bozo density is off the charts, but they seem to be succeeding anyway.

      Not every fascist and Nazi needed to be competent, intelligent, and put-together. Just enough of them. I suppose we’ll find out in real-time if they have amassed sufficient numbers this go 'round.

    • athairmor@lemmy.world
      56·
      5 个月前

      Elon and DOGE should really look into all of those Oracle contracts the Fed pays for. Must be all inefficiency and fraud.

        • athairmor@lemmy.world
          15·
          5 个月前

          It would be one of the areas that would save the government a bunch of money. But, Ellison is in the Trump camp so it’s not going to happen.

          • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
            2·
            4 个月前

            If Oracle works for the application and you want to save money, you’ll stick to SQL. Probably Postgres, MySQL, or MariaDB.

            • Tja@programming.dev
              1·
              4 个月前

              All of those are open source, so nothing to sell really (well, except MySQL, which is Oracle).

              EnterpriseDB is the closest you can get to “selling” Postgres.

        • athairmor@lemmy.world
          10·
          4 个月前

          Access can do (some) SQL! 😱

          I’ve worked for US federal government, access to Access* was the only way I could do some things that wasn’t torture… severe torture.

          *keep in mind that SQL is a query language. It can be implemented in different ways and not necessarily within an RDMS.

    • quirzle@lemmy.zipEnglish
      391·
      4 个月前

      Replace “dumb kid” with half dozen of my boomer relatives, and you’re spot-on.

      • doleo@lemmy.oneEnglish
        131·
        4 个月前

        and the dumb kids, unfortunately. I did a spot with some non-US teenagers, in a class recently. The topic was “name a person you admire and why”. Guess whose filthy name came up…

  • quirzle@lemmy.zipEnglish
    1431·
    4 个月前

    Calling someone a retard for believing something that’s obviously true is straight out of the flat-Earther playbook.

  • GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml
    1281·
    5 个月前

    Elon starting to comment on technical matters was the moment I learned he was actually completely beyond incompetent, since I have some actual expertise on the subject. Right around the time he bought Twitter and commented publicly on its architecture.

    This is further evidence to that point

    • IMALlama@lemmy.world
      18·
      4 个月前

      That sounds surprising modern. That’s good! Or at least I would think it is good. So many things run on mainframes still.

        • IMALlama@lemmy.world
          1·
          4 个月前

          Haha, TIL that SQL is 51 years old. IBM mainframes were still all the rage in the 70s. My assumption is that government would have not been an early adopter, but I could obviously be wrong.

  • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    94·
    5 个月前

    Lmao we’re gonna get to watch eel-on-musk and all of his dipshit wünderkinds speedrun through all of the pitfalls a junior DBA / data engineer is liable to make, and they’re gonna do it on prod, and prod is the US government.

    What could possibly go wrong

      • notabot@lemm.ee
        24·
        5 个月前

        An UPDATE without a WHERE clause that doesn’t get noticed for a week or two. Your data’s hosed and you can’t really cope with reverting to your last known good backup. Bonus points if you haven’t tested your recovery procedures recently. Then he runs around screeching about how the data is obviously fraudulent and he’s a genius for finding it.

    • Bob Robertson IX @discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      16·
      5 个月前

      He’s going to dedupe the social security databases, thinking that he’s screwing over trans people because he thinks they are the only people who change their names… not realizing that the vast majority of married women have at least two names associated with their SSN.

  • PanArab@lemm.ee
    941·
    4 个月前

    Isn’t Oracle a big government supplier with millions if not billions worth of contracts?

    Elon is a fraud but for someone who claims he created one of the Web’s first e-commerce sites this level of ignorance is embarrassing

  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
    911·
    4 个月前

    Everything uses SQL. The world fucking runs on SQL

    (yes I know SQL isn’t something that you can “run” something on yadda yadda…)

      • john_lemmy@slrpnk.net
        6·
        4 个月前

        That is bananas! The implementation details are worth a read. Plus, all the links to other bananas projects are great.

      • barsoap@lemm.ee
        3·
        4 个月前

        Eh ECS is basically all about making SELECT ... FROM bar, baz WHERE bar.id == baz.id, joins on primary keys, as fast as possible and use it as often as possible. Games are real-time databases with gaudy user interfaces so it stands to reason that posgresql is a game with a bland user interface.

      • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
        6·
        4 个月前

        You’d be shocked to hear that much the same is true of many or even MOST of the world’s largest companies.

        • hansolo@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          4 个月前

          Not shocked at all.

          Source: Check list of ransomware attacks daily.

  • -☆-@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    864·
    5 个月前

    A government official known for performing a nazi salute just broadcast an ableist slur.

    Cool cool cool

    • Cargon@lemmy.ml
      123·
      4 个月前

      Civilized people should really coopt the word “removed” to mean Republican. I mean, they have the ® next to their names to remind us already.

      Then when someone takes offense you can just say

      Jesus Titty-Fucking Christ, Carol. Just because someone has a mental disability doesn’t make them a Republican!"

      • NuclearDolphin@lemmy.mlEnglish
        32·
        4 个月前

        Way to throw disabled people under the bus because you aren’t clever enough to find another way to insult their intelligence.

        Also using the phrase “civilized people” makes you sound like you’d fit in with the other Republicans.

        • Cargon@lemmy.ml
          32·
          4 个月前

          Jesus Titty-Fucking Christ, Carol. Just because someone has a mental disability doesn’t make them a Republican.

    • renzev@lemmy.worldEnglish
      214·
      4 个月前

      btw do you know why it was decided to treat the r-word as an ableist slur? And why didn’t they also make “idiot” a slur, since it has basically the same etymology? Is this a lemmy-specific thing? I’ve never seen anyone use or interpret the r-word as a slur outside of lemmy

      • pivot_root@lemmy.world
        13·
        4 个月前

        In contemporary language, that word (among others) is almost entirely used as an insult by way of equating somebody’s intelligence with those who have intellectual disabilities, which creates a negative connotation. Similarly, this is why we don’t say things we dislike are “gay” anymore. It’s disrespectful to the people who actually fall under the definition, and it proliferates negative associations with traits that people are stuck living with and had no choice in acquiring.

        The only reason “idiot” hasn’t followed suit is because it’s much more culturally ingrained, and there’s hasn’t been as significant of an attempt to change it as with other words.

        I’ve never seen anyone use or interpret the r-word as a slur outside of lemmy

        It’s not exclusive to Lemmy, but it is mostly left-leaning spaces or gen Z individuals who see it that way. Center and right-leaning spaces see treating the word as a slur to be censorship (as opposed to being respectful of others) and keep using it or actively push back by saying it more.

      • Charapaso@lemmy.world
        9·
        4 个月前

        Not Lemmy specific. There was US legislation related to the word being deemed offensive fifteen years ago (given the slow nature of Congress, it wasn’t a new sentiment then, either): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa’s_Law

        Fair enough that plenty of insulting words could be cast as abelist: but my guess is that a word like “idiot” is old enough that most folks called that in a medical context aren’t around any more. Maybe I’m wrong though: plenty of folks do push against saying things like “crazy” in an insulting manner.