At least they knew it was going to sound stupid.
Your electronics blows up under EU mighty 240v power lines
Found the American.
Well, that did sound really stupid.
Big if true
People like this think Trump is a genius
I know it’s difficult to tell online, but I read that as a joke post. Not serious. But it’s better for others to make fun of others for being clueless I guess.
Why would you start a joke post with “this is going to sound really stupid”?
Yeah. It always strikes me as bizarre how many people online see something that would only be satire in a sane world and completely assume it’s serious. They have no doubts. Never occurred to them it might be a joke…
Damn Poe’s Law
I feel like it should be more like “Poe’s sometimes true thing” because satire does indeed still exist. People making assumptions is the issue.
People making assumptions is the issue.
There’s assumptions involved in detecting satire from just text as well. You would just have a Reverse Poe’s law where “any extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for satire of those views without clear indicator of the author’s intent”.
Normally when people say or type things we (justifiably) assume that to be what they mean, which is why satire works much better when spoken because intonation can make the satire explicit without changing the words or saying it out loud.
I never said anyone should assume something is satire. It’s possible to just not know something and not make a judgement.
Never assumed you did :), but yes, as little assumptions is the best. But as you can already tell, it’s hard to communicate when you take no assumptions when people make explicit statements crafted to dispel assumptions, that are entirely plausible for a hypothetical real person to have.
In fact, your original statement of “They have no doubts. Never occurred to them it might be a joke…”, is in itself a pretty big assumption. Unless, of course. I assume that statement to be a hyperbole, or even satire. But if we want to have fun talking about a shitpost we do kind of have to decide on an assumptive position on the meme that can’t talk back.
So yes, you have to make some assumptions. But to me it’s pretty clear that if someone is expressing anger at a possible joke that would be messed up if not a joke, they probably aren’t trolling/joking themselves. And then even if some people were, when you see people doing it en masse, I think it’s a safer assumption to assume no one gets the satire than it is for them to see a single random thing online and then get mad about what they think it means, when there are multiple possible interpretations
I live in a country with two plug types and actually have to use a fuckload of converters
US used to be like that too. When polarized plugs first became a thing, they wouldn’t fit into older non-polarized outlets. It took decades for all those to be replaced and I’m sure they’re still out there. Somewhere
Still I have one (1) in a stairwell in my house. So far I’ve left it alone, partially because it also has a stupid piece of stair molding blocking part of its cover plate but mostly because I have never in all my years found any reason to plug anything in there.
Somebody probably originally intended it to be for a vacuum cleaner or something, but even the corded ones I’ve owned have had cords more than long enough to reach both ends of the stairs from a selection of other nearby, non-stupid outlets.
that sounds like hell lmao where
For power In the U.S. I have to use USB-A, USB-C, Lightning, cigarette lighter adapter, 110 plug without ground, 110 with ground, 220 - 3 types of connectors on those just for dryers, adapters still for mini USB, micro USB, and that’s all before we start to get obscure. Universal lightbulb plugs? Nah everyone had to fuck that up as well.
“I don’t have an accent…YOU have an accent!!”
People in other countries use all sorts of crazy “languages”. We don’t bother with that here, we just talk normally.
Why can’t people just be normal. I am being my normal self, but other people seem different. Bastard freaks.
Language proficiencies: Common
Galactic Basic
I moved to California last year from Oklahoma. Occasionally I will say something about moving from Oklahoma and people are like, “oh that makes sense, you have a Midwestern accent sometimes”. We all sound normal to ourselves but everyone has an accent. Like the way California people say their O’s.
Midwesterners are the only people I’ve ever met who don’t think they have an accent. And I’m like “you have a midwest accent.” They’re stunned because to them it’s just a “normal” accent, and they know it must be so because it’s what the TV man talks like. Obviously I know midwesterners who know they have an accent and the TV man is trained to speak that way. But everyone else I meet and know knows their own accent and can recognize variations of it. They’re not so conscious of how they make their accent happen, obviously, since it is their own. But they know they sound different from other people
Part of that is, out side of a few regions of the Midwest that have a really unique accent.
Most of the Midwest is “nutural English”. Yes there’s an accent, but there is a huge lack of slang, regional quirks, and is widely one of the most understandable accents across every English speaking country.
It’s the “universal English accent” in a sense. It’s a large reason why call centers became so popular there. That and low costs.
Functionally Midwestern accent is in a way the English that’s so boring that the banality of it IS the accent. Lol it’s kinda funny.
It’s the “universal English accent” in a sense.
… for American English
No even when polled, British, Australian and Canadian find it easier to understand when spoken over the phone. When compared to any accent other than their own.
Again it’s the reason it’s the most commonly used accent when you need a one size fit all solution and you can’t get a local accent for every region your servicing.
When compared to any accent other than their own.
Yes…? Are you struggling with the concept of an agnostic accent? I’m talking about call centers here after all.
I have a hard time understanding the people in a friends village and he lives 50km away
I guess it makes sense. I wouldn’t understand you either from 50km away.
Lemmy: We’re just a bunch of dads
And Linux nerds.
Like the way California people say their O’s
As a Canadian, it’s all I can hear when they speak.
I dated someone who in earnest believed she has no accent. She didn’t understand what could be wrong about that.
Would be great if an equally clueless European followed up with
“So I visited your country and remembered seeing this post but when I got there, none of my stuff would fit in your outlets. What the fuck?”
One of worlds longest running experiments is when an european tourist visited america and tried to boil water using a kettle and a travel adapter.
The paper published on the experiment noted that water finally reached temperatures of 63c in 2017.
I’ll be choosing an inverter soon. In the US, but considering a 240v just for the kettle.
Steam irons heat faster too, you know, just in case you need to iron your fancy shirt in a hurry before you leave, not that that would ever happen to me or anything…
Btw do you have a big solar array or what is the inverter for?
Yea, big steamer vs iron fan here. This will be for a van. A while back we aquired a mini van and through the magic of DIY it now has no back seats, a couch+bed, fold up kitchen and running water. We are very outdoorsy and like cheap travel, so we are doing some planning for potential next/future stage of life in something that could replace structural living 😉
You’ll need a massive battery and inverter to boil a kettle, that’s a lot of energy.
No more than a pot on induction. Or for that matter, no more than with propane, or friction, or pressure, or with a mini-sun. Takes the same amount of energy regardless hah.
Speaking of which, this is a pretty cool tool: https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/water-heating
So for 1 liter in my case, a 2K watt inverter woth 80% efficiency across the system would take under 4 minutes to boil.
That’s 25AH of capacity on a 12v system though, so quarter of the capacity of a 100ah battery, if I’ve done my math right.
Someone from Germany or France or one of the other States should do that to take the piss.
/s
Not do we need a “special adapter” but a converter as well, as Households in the US use 110V opposed to the usual 230V.
Oh don’t worry about that, just plug in your 110V appliances and watch them run twice as fast
When I was 17 my father brought back a stereo from Japan. I was too eager to use it and plugged that directly to 220. It worked for a glorious 2 minutes. We got it working again after we replaced the transformer. Still have it and it still works fine to this day. Learned a lesson too!
Oh this gets stranger.
It’s usually 120v, but I’m not going to split hairs over 10v.
So, 120v is not a voltage that is delivered from the grid… Technically speaking. Each home is given one circuit of 240v, which is usually part of one leg of a three phase, coming off of the Transformers… 120v is there because they center-tap the transformer. This halves the voltage by consequence. Inside the house the circuits are generally laid out to try to balance the load between each half of the 240v phase.
The idea is that two 120v loads, put in series, will total 240v. So power will ideally go from L1 to a 120v load, to “neutral”, then over to another 120v load, then finally back on L2.
More or Less.
120v is basically just half of what you should be loading the system with.
The center tap neutral from the transformer is to collect any load imbalance between L1 and L2 to allow for the two “sides” of the phase to be out of balance and still work.
The US “plug” ( aka receptacle ) is a NEMA 5-15R, or NEMA 5-20R (for 20A); these are designed for 120v operation using the half phase described above. Of course, you can mis-wire it and make all kinds of dangerous abominations if you so choose. There is, however, a less known NEMA 6-15R and NEMA 6-20R that is basically the same, but for 240v operation, replacing the neutral wire with L2 instead (and 15/20A respectively).
So it is entirely possible to have 240v outlets in a North American home, while still being compliant with code.
It’s actually really fascinating information when your dig into it.
i hate that all that’s a thing for you
What’s a good resource for learning about electrical engineering for people starting from nearly zero knowledge? I’d love to learn more so I don’t burn my house down if I want to, say, replace a light fixture in my house.
I’m not an EE. I apologize if I gave that impression. I just have an obsession with understanding anything I use on a regular basis, whether computers, smartphones, electricity, vehicles… Anything that does stuff, and I use it, I want to know how it does the thing that it does.
I’m weird like that.
I learned a lot from “Electrician U” on YouTube, along with a few others. Maybe worth a look. The scientific/physics side of things was more from watching other YouTubers (as to why it behaves the way it does), along with a fundamental knowledge that I learned from doing amateur radio stuff. Working in IT and having to deal with the power requirements of systems and making sure that we won’t blow a breaker under load… That helped motivate me to learn.
It all came to a head when we were deploying a network and server for a business that was still in construction of the facility. The electrician was going to run a temp line for our stuff so we could set up and be ready for opening day, and he asked how many amps we needed… I did a bit of a deep dive to figure out an answer for him, and I’ve been learning more and more since then.
Cool. Thanks for the direction. I’m curious about electrical stuff, and I’d like to be able to do some things around my house. There’s some DIY stuff online, too, involving building projects from old parts of appliances that interest me, but I realized quickly that I’d need some very good knowledge about electrical work to stay safe. It’s unlikely I’ll actually pursue the latter, but I’d like to at least know the how and why of my home wiring.
Houses in the US generally have 220v too but not at ordinary wall outlets
There’s a technology connections video on it if you’re interested in the specifics
Yes and in Europe houses generally have 400V too but not at ordinary wall outlets
A few years ago there was the possibility of me moving to the US from Germany and if I would have bought a house there, I would probably have installed additional Schuko-outlets all over the place.
There’s a technology connections video on it if you’re interested in the specifics
Exactly :)
See also any ElectroBOOM video where he travels. Though they’re a very different kind of content.
Why?
Because he makes videos about technical details like this.
And don’t call me Shirley.
It’s less of a problem nowadays where most things have switching power supplies that can handle either just fine
For most things people bring on vacation it wouldn’t be a problem since chargers and power supplies can run on multiple voltages. It’s for things like hairdryers where you need converter. Since they are calibrated for a specific voltage to create heat. Though you could probably run them at half settings on the double voltage.
I mean, they’re right. It does sound really stupid
And these people vote…
Thailand has really cool plugs. they’re shaped so they can fit European or American outlets, quite often. I rarely needed an adapter when I was there
Very cool, I guess there is a voltage adapter built in?
Nope. So don’t plug a 120V hairdryer or corded drill in those things.
No, voltage adapters are built into basically every electronic device now so it doesn’t matter which you plug into
Yes for electronic devices that expect low voltage DC and have a converter, like laptops, phone chargers, etc.
But don’t try and take a 120V hairdryer on holiday and plug it in because it will certainly blow up.
You definitely need to distinguish “electrical” devices from “electronic” devices but a safer approach is to read the plug.
- A power supply (ex. Phone charger) will be stamped with a voltage range and power draw, which probably includes everywhere but you can match it against the electrical service where you are. You may need a plug adapter but a simple mechanical adapter is sufficient.
- an electrical appliance (ex. Hair dryer) plug is probably not stamped with electrical requirements so the safe approach is to only use it in the intended country
I think British style plugs are the best despite their bulkiness. For one they are easily fixed and are designed to be so.
If you don’t know what I’m talking about watch this: https://youtu.be/COWlYUvzgZI
I’ll for repairability but the plug isn’t usually what breaks.
If you want a bulky replaceable plug, you can get those at any hardware store. Meanwhile I’ll take the smaller more reliable, more durable and waterproof molded plastic plug
idk i think our aussie plugs are a good middle ground: they’re about mid way between UK and US in size, are not reversible, don’t have a fuse (but laws govern the type of current things can handle: extension cords MUST be 10A which covers a standard 10A home circuit - i believe there’s some extra built into the rating too), power boards the same, and have a 10A safety switch built into them which prevents daisy chaining over the current just like the fuse
repairability probably not so good, buuuuut i’ve never had a cable break so maybe we do something different with the construction that solves that need?
Interesting rabbit hole to drill down into ……
I see the Aussie common plug and similarity to other countries. The picture shows partly insulated prongs which is a great safety feature I’ve never seen before
I don’t know whether it’s physically the same size but that’s 240v and US had similar variations at that voltage
Simple US plugs are also not (usually) reversible. Historically they weren’t but the standard changed decades (half a century?) ago to support polarized plugs with one blade wider than the other. If it matters, such as a light switch, the plug must be polarized and can only fit in one direction. For some things, like a sealed power supply it doesn’t matter
There’s always ancient outlets and ancient plugs that never got replaced but those are getting rare
