Rent-seeking can fuck right off.
Good. People need to stop renting software.
I dunno, I still find m365 family a great deal. 5TB cloud storage for less then 100 euro a year? And get the best most complète Office suite as a bonus?
If you compare that to the competition it’s a slam dunk. I need cloud storage. I need an office suite.
Same goes for prime here in NL by the way. Unlimited photo storage, free games monthly, streaming, Luna, free shipping for less then 6 euro.
I dunno, the cloud storage part is quite easy to make at home. Granted, the initial price will be steeper (since you need to buy the physical drive). But in two years time, it will have paid for itself and your data will still be yours.
As for the office suite, while I understand that MSOffice is advanced, for the regular user that I am, OnlyOffice is more than enough.
Frequently paying any amount of money for anything will always seem like a good deal to anyone who always depends on others to do everything. There’s no shame in needing each other, though. We should strive to be self sufficient but can’t be skilled or resourceful in every field. Abusing the needs of others on the other hand… All these huge companies should burn to the ground for that.
Honest question, what does the current office suite does, or does better, that office 2013 doesn’t?
Copilot, copilot everywhere… :p
You can actually “cancel” your account into a “classic” account without copilot. It’s fuckin’ weird and hidden, but you can do it. Obviously no price difference.
Nothing.
You get as lot of extra tools which integrate but my honest opinion is nothing.
Thats Why i stated 5 TB cloud storage for less then the competition as usp.
There are actually a lot of newer excel features that are not cross compatible.
I was running 2010, then 2013 for a very long time. Eventually I started running into compatibility issues when collaborating on professional and hobby projects until it got to a point where I went for 365. It’s a shame that it’s subscription, but it’s definitely great software
Not riddled with security holes I guess
Just wanted to give an idea for pricing of a self hosted alternative:
- 5-6TB drive is around 100 EUR
- Intel NUC as a server is around 200 EUR
- My personal power consumption is 6 kWh per month at 24/7 operation, here that costs 10 EUR per year
You can chose other parts, you may already have some parts, Im giving my own example here.
Keeping in mind you need to be a bit tech savy to set this up, keep it updated, data secure, things may break down the line and require maintenance, etc… The upside: the data is yours, you are reliant on yourself, it can do more than just store files.
But obviously: to each their own!You also need to account for RAID and backups. Storing everything on a single drive without copies is asking for sad times.
Generally yes, and this obviously doubles the cost of storage. The good thing is you have options. In my view, not all data is the same so I view some data as more valuable as other data and can do backups of only specific things on drives I already have.
- work configuring and maintaining
- replacing drives
- dealing with issues
5-6TB drive is around 100 EUR
Really?
I bought a 4TB external hdd ~6 months ago at 149 EUR and thought that was cheap. Dang.
Looks like prices are up a bit, I got a portable 5tb one for 100 a year ago. Now they are more like 125. I’m seeing a 6tb refurbished one for 100 though.
Went on Amazon and found a Seagate barracuda 8TB drive for 130€
Probably not the best for an actual server, but for a personal NAS seems reasonable
I really hope it’s not like goog where if you ever want to download that data your download speeds are reduced to a crawl and everything about the download is convoluted.
Yeah, it’s why I stopped using Amazon Glacier years ago and use ProtonDrive now. The actual storage costs are pretty reasonable, but if you ever want to download your data, shit gets very expensive very fast.
cs5 is 15 years old
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That just sounds like something you are saying to me me feel old.
They were able to diss an entire generation with a single emoji
To me me or to not meme
I used Photoshop 6.0 and Premiere 6.0. Not CS6, original 6.
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I remember using the original InDesign which was a big step up from quark Xpress
When I was in college I had a prof who tried to fail me because I used the new InDesign and not Quark for the final project in Desktop Publishing class.
I can’t remember exactly what it was, but I remember InDesign being soooo much easier to use.
I think maybe it was like you couldn’t drag boxes around or something with quark?
Newer versions of Krita now come with G’mic built in, which add so many incredible tools, including a content aware fill that works incredibly well, and a really nice edge detecting cropping tool called foreground extract.
Shoot, krita has content aware now? Other than non-destructive editing/layer styles that’s one of the big things keeping me on PS.
It doesn’t even need to be amazing, it just needs to be good enough. I think the weirdest thing about krita for me was how you type text in a dialog box instead of on the canvas.
Adding text effects, like colored outlines, on Krita is painful, you essentially have to type
<xml>stuff without a decent preview of how it looksAFAIK, krita has had non-destructive editing for a while now (while gimp just got it with the 3.0 release).
The text tool is a pain point still, though thankfully a new from the ground up text tool over 6 years in the making is soon to be released for Krita this year, likely making it the most capable open-source option.
CS6 represent! it has everything i need for my routine photo editing
I lost my CS6 key a while ago. It was a sad day. Now I just find PS from alternative sources.
I hadn’t used my CS6 for years but recently needed Premiere Pro. I hauled out the discs, installed it using an external optical drive, and searched old Outlook PST files for the serial number. It installed on my Win 11 laptop, and it activated when I typed in the serial number.
Long live CS6! Adobe won’t get any more money from me.
I did get lucky when I bought it, though. I ordered and paid for CS5.5 Education version, so that was about AUD$450 instead of AUD$2200, and what turned up was CS5.5, a free licenced copy of CS4 “to help with 32-bit to 64-bit transition” and a download code for CS6, as I’d ordered 5.5 after 6 had been announced. I ended up with licenced copies of CS4, CS5.5, and CS6 for AUD$450
I’ve always been a fan of getpaint.net - it’s like… idk, half-way between microsoft paint and photoshop, but you can install plugins to add functionality that the vanilla version doesn’t offer.
Until you cross into advanced manipulation or outright image creation, Paint.Net can do almost everything you want from it. Tbh the only feature I miss is the plethora of user guides and tutorials that are Photoshop specific, or said another way; I don’t miss their software, I miss the community
I think Photoshop CS5 is still a better product than Gimp will ever be. I think this person needs to upgrade to Affinity. While it’s still available to buy, that is.
I’m happy with affinity. Pity it doesn’t run on limux
Apparently there’s a tutorial to make a thing in docker that actually does run it. It’s a whole-ass process though and my friend who uses Linux for most stuff was working on it a while back. Damn shame it’s not a thing, out of the box.
Do you know what this is called or have any links? I’m not finding anything that seems like what you’re describing.
Apparently it’s this. https://github.com/ryzendew/AffinityOnLinux
I hear it works well as long as you have all the dependencies and stuff needed ahead of time. If an error pops, it’s apparently pretty clear about what’s needed.
I have been deep down this road, and finally got it working, but there are so many graphical glitches it just became unusable.
My current setup is a windows VM I have running in a docker container that I remote desktop into.
Saying that now, I might be better off just using VirtualBox or the like because the input lag is a pain. Not a massive issue but it’s not the same as using it natively unfortunately.
I too still have the cracked installers for CS5 and CS6 but… I switched to Gimp and Krita a very long time ago.
I remember doing an animation internship on the pilot of a TV show most here have heard of (Not gonna dox myself) and CS5 was definitely available at the time, but the studio was still using Flash MX because that was the last version available that Adobe hadn’t fuckin wrecked.
Sup fellow film person (stunts here). I believe it. When creatives find something that works they tend to stick with it.
I’m an artist, and I have that version too, running it under qemu/Win10 (it won’t run on Wine), under my Debian-Testing main OS. However, I have actually moved to Gimp 3 recently for all my work. I use it to make collages ( https://www.instagram.com/eugenia_loli ) and edit my scanned watercolor paintings: https://pixelfed.social/EugeniaLoli The only problem is that Gimp can’t read my old PSDs that have adjustment layers correctly, so I load them first either on that old Photoshop, or online on Photopea, and then export them as TIFFs, to load them back to Gimp. For my newer work, I just use Gimp all the way.
Loli
Uhh
It’s my real name :D
That makes sense. These days I am wary of clicking links with “loli” in them especially when they are posted on tech related places. I liked the desert horsey.
I was expecting different art with that username
Your work is really good! I particularly enjoyed the person in the bath tub with the ankle monitor and the mice sharing a clothesline between their plant houses.
I’m still using CS3. It’s the only software on my pc at this point that doesn’t have dark mode. I also found out recently that it should run perfectly on Linux using wine, so I intend to try that soon.
One of us! One of us!
Krita seems like a good free open-source altherative.
For illustration work at least. Photoshop is not the best for illustrations either, almost all illustration-focused apps easily blow it out of the water.
Also works really well on my android tablet with a stylus.
Mac users should take a look at Pixelmator if you’re doing light work and Affinity if you’re doing studio-grade work.
Pixelmator feels like something Apple developed to be a part of the iWork suite, and the Affinity apps are literally Adobe apps with sane price points.
(Pixelmator was recently purchased by Apple so its future is uncertain, but the original software is still for sale as it was before the buyout for the time being.)
I missed that news. So photomator is probably dead and going to be folded into photos.app.
I really wish there was a desktop version. The webapp starts to chug when the project gets anywhere near remotely-large.
Awesome. It works on my phone too! Now I can Photoshop on the go!
Honestly the best Photoshop alternative I found.
I wonder how much different it really is from current versions.
Up until they started adding AI features it’s pretty similar. I’m ambivalent about those features. They’re handy as hell, but the SaaS model eats dead donkey asshole, and they’re tied together. I always find a client who will just pay for my CS subscription for me, so it’s not really like I’ve suffered much, but what a stupid fucking tax just to get CA-delete.
Content aware delete was in cs5
I kind of thought so but I don’t remember it being awesome yet. My workflows back then were still built around a lot of hand work that is now automated entirely, like sky replacement.
The new mest features that i use the most at work are straighten when i have do do a wuick and dirty scan, and CA-fill when customers send me print files without bleed. But I don’t have to pay for the Adobe subscription, and if it makes my boss happy, then i am happy
I actually checked it out last year because I was curious about the whole AI autofill in Photoshop, where you can give it a cropped art piece and it’ll fill out the remainder.
If your experience with Photoshop is from CS5, you’ll hate this new version. They removed a lot of the tooling that I was used to. Maybe they simplified the toolbar and everything is tucked into different things. I struggled to modify my art piece and remove the background.
I found myself going back to Photopea immediately.
As for the AI autofill thing? It’s a shit gimmick. It barely works most of the time. And honestly, if I was to use a tool, you’re better off using a AI art tool and then “Photoshop” them together. Then use whatever the hell Adobe cooked up.
If you have a decent GPU, you can do “AI autofill” with something like InvokeAI or FluxTools locally (no cloud/account) and get really good results.
After using CS6 since 2012, I finally found a proper working crack for CC (the 2024 version, specifically). The only difference I really noticed was the addition of the AI stuff (which I can’t even use because it requires an Adobe account). There were other differences I’ve noticed too but they’re so minor that other than HDR support, I can’t think of any of them (and I can’t even get HDR working in PS, despite having a 10 bit display).
The jump from Premiere CS6 to CC 2024 was much more useful for me, but only because I needed support for more modern video codecs.
I honestly think commercial software offerings peaked in around 2010, and that’s why they’re all seeking rent now. They realized nobody wants to buy an annual new copy for incremental updates, but they also wanted more profit, not less.
There’s still cool things happening in software, but now it’s all incredibly niche, or FOSS projects that sometimes aren’t all there yet, BUT do cool things that commercial software won’t. Or incredibly niche FOSS projects.
I’m still using CS5.1 Photoshop. I used a newer version about a year ago and short of a few things moved around, it was pretty much the same.
Maybe there is some back end, under the trunk changes that make it more intelligent in how it does something, but I never noticed.
For what I use it for, I don’t foresee myself using anything else until it stops running.
