Players on either device will be able to tap into Gaming Copilot …
…yeah
“Freedom of Windows” “Power of Xbox” Good stuff. We should make some more. “From a brand you can trust” "Pro gamers choose … " “Powered by Copilot and Game pass”
Well gamepass on a cheap handheld doesn’t sound so bad tbh
and copilot on a cheap handheld that cannot do anything except record you 24/7 and send it off to MS servers?
Less good
I’d argue it’s outright bad, especially with MS headquartered in a country that already has the NSA recording everything, and now a fascist dictator in control of all of that recorded traffic.
“Relive past game moments with recall” “Totally not going to be dropped in 3 years”
Compared to Xbox OS, Windows is very free.
Corporate needs you to compare these OSes
yea the full sentence makes more sense. “freedom of windows, power of xbox” implies it’s trying to compare to previous xbox experience, not other OS.
Although still, never had a console, but I thought a gaming PC is usually more powerful than xbox though. Or I could get mad overthinking of what do they meam by power, what do they mean by freedom. This is why I often dont like marketing speak & just disregard it.
Honestly
As compared to consoles? Windows is pretty free.
Other than the Windows tax, ads, bloatware, constant intrusive up-sell attempts…
Again
COMPARED TO CONSOLES? That’s basically paradise.
Modern, unhacked and unmodded Consoles are:
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Completely locked down, not only do they not let you install applications not approved by the manufacturer, in reality you can ONLY buy them from the manufacturer and you pay a hefty tax for that “privilege”.
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Feeding you ads and upsell attempts whenever you turn them on, as the UI has basically been redesigned to try to sell you more shit first and make getting to your actual games take a few extra steps
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Any undesired feature in a console’s OS is something you just have to accept and move on. Powerusers killing Windows bloat with third party tools is a time-honoured tradition that goes back to Windows 3.11
I’m not saying Windows is good.
I’m saying that for someone coming from a PlayStation or a traditional XBoXSeXxxx (I love making jokes out of this name), this whitelabelled ROG Ally machine would feel like finally being able to breathe. Just for the fact that you can use more than one storefront and install applications from wherever you want.
Let me put it this way:
Linux is an anarchist commune. True freedom.
Windows is an American Style Capitalist Republic. Freedom*********** with a thousand asterisks more. BUT for someone coming from the North Korea that is playing on consoles (or using an iOS mobile device or…), it DOES feel like finally breathing free.
That’s a really good comparison
Also, compared to something like the Switch? I don’t see MS remotely bricking these devices if you run “homebrew” on them.
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It the Zune for gaming.
I mean, the Zune is fucking amazing.
FM radio when you wanted it, big color screen that you could watch actual videos on at a solid playback that you could do video out to a TV with. WiFi song sharing. Great playback and no fingerprints in my semitransparent case that glows.
Zune was amazing.
ROFL More like chains of Microsoft!
The one thing I took away from it was that the Xbox-button acts as alt tab. I WANT THE SAME FROM MY STEAM DECK IN DESKTOP MODE!
But in Desktop mode the Steam button does absolutely nothing while a game is running.
Why do you use desktop mode for a game?
I like to have other apps like a browser easily accessible with proper window management. And most of my games are non-Steam games which allow me to easily swap between desktop and gamepad bindings easily to alt tab out.
And I’ve found that running KDE Plasma Wayland has no visible performance impact either. No idea why they use X11 in SteamOS.
Steam os is pretty old now, compared to the Wayland readiness timeline, and proton doesn’t fully support Wayland yet
Ah, but the really funny thing is how Gaming Mode works.
They start the gamescope wayland compositor which launches an XWayland session to run the Steam client in. Which will start gamescope to run the game, which will use a second XWayland session to actually run the game in.
It’ll probably take at least two more years until they can get rid of X.
Oh god, why have you cursed me with such knowledge
Remote play for whatever reason works far better in desktop mode
Can’t you map Alt-Tab to one of the back buttons? Or does that not work in desktop mode?
EDIT: Or if that doesn’t work through steam then is there gamepad software in KDE or the Software Centre that lets the desktop map gamepad buttons?
I’ve had mixed results doing this. Not really sure why
That works. I’m just lazy and don’t want to have to do it for every game.
I guess you could remap them in desktop mode? I haven’t tried but it should be possible.
No, you cannot change the mapping of the Steam and … buttons. They are only available to the Steam client. You cannot remap the Steam+other button combinations either.
Funnily enough when no game is running the Steam button focuses the Steam window. But that functionality is gone as soon as a game is running. Really frustrating.
That’s wierd, works well enough for me? It’s called guide button chord layout.
No changes to that are saved.
And it still doesn’t let you rebind the Steam or … buttons themselves.
We’ve known for a bit they were going to do this.
I’m honestly surprised they didn’t do it sooner. They already had half of the work done for Xbox. Should have been relatively easy to start with just the interface for all PCs and then iterate from there.
I saw that it’s a trimmed down version of windows so I’m interested in giving it a chance. Who knows, maybe we will be able to install said trimmed down version on regular hardware which would be interesting.
You can always use a debloat script to fix a lot of issues. Nothing will help with Windows broken, ancient architecture, but the scripts do help.
Who is this for?
Everyone that is scared they can’t play the most popular online games on their handheld. So theoretically a massive demographic according to research (most pc gamers play older live service titles) done but whether they would want a gaming handheld is a different question.
There’s apparently a chunk of gamers who can’t leave Windows because of GamePass. However, I don’t know whether it’s a significant portion.
34 million people are on all Xbox game pass versions. How much of that is on PC game pass, I have no idea.
I am more thinking of the Valorant, League, Call of Duty, Fortnite, etc… players. Which are a majority of pc gamers.
There are different clusters of users who don’t/can’t leave Windows.
- Don’t want to learn another OS at all (They are content with the Windows experience)
- Gamepass users. They enjoy the Netflix model of getting free games
- Multiplayer (with anti-cheat) gamers
- Don’t want to leave the Adobe suite/
- Uses programs which don’t have Linux equivalent
The Linux community has to understand that some of these groups cannot be moved to Linux no matter how much you improve the Linux experience.
I am talking for handhelds which are treated as consoles so the underlying os or gui makes no difference. Unless it stops you from playing the game you like.
No one should tell you to leave an os if it works for you.
No one should tell you to leave an os if it works for you
I agree.
Some people have a special comfort with Windows AND telemetry, ads, bloat are not a concern for them. We should not try to force them to move.
The only thing it will do is turn off potential users because they either feel attacked for using a perfectly useable os or they do want want to be associated with the onmine culture around the os.
That’s a typo, it’s supposed to be an R in the middle there, not an F
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Are they about to do some kind of shitty silk song gamepass exclusive??
penny arcade? Wow, are they even still around? I havent seen anyone talk about or reference them for…god… 10 years?
It’s still around, but it hasn’t been funny for a long-ass time.
Penny Arcade Expo is one of the biggest gaming conventions in America (and Aus) so I’d say yeah. I think they still make the comic too.
Yes it is a joke
Oh, Paul Marketing, you crazy fellow.
