Welsh?
To be honest, I think we should just switch to using “queer” at this point. The Q covers everything. In fact we could just use the letter Q and be like on star trek.
It still makes me uncomfortable as an old fart Gen Xer from back when it was almost exclusively used as a slur, but I recognize it’s been reclaimed. It’s just a hard association to break.
I just use LGBT+ since it was LGBT for a long time (it was GLBT but the Ls earned their place at the front during the AIDS crisis) then it became LGBTQ, then a bunch of other letters were added while the community was recognizing is profound variety before it turned into LGBTQ+
Q+ has a nice ring to it, but since I’m an unusual form of NB, I fit squarely into the catch-all variety of Q.
Five letters is fine, but I’m not subscribed to the new’s letter for knowing what all the add-ons to it mean. It never changes anything for me to know anyway. Just treat people with dignity. “Queer” should be fine at this point for casual use.
In my daily dealings with fellow queers™, I find most people say “LGBT” in casual speech instead of other variations of the acronym, occasionally adding the “Q”, but I’ve never heard somebody casually drop a “LGBTQIA+.” I think we all know that LGBT is inclusive; that, or there’s a silent ellipsis at the end.
I think part of it is that a lot of straight people who are allies but not as familiar with the queer community feel strange about using the word queer, thinking that it’s a reclaimed slur that they wouldn’t be allowed to say if they aren’t themselves queer. They don’t realize that the queer community has collectively decided that no “pass” is needed for the word queer.
The humour in this to not include 2S+ is the best part
I actually love when a new overspelled name comes out. It gives me more fuel for when I screw up peoples names from the short form. Jessleigh, Jessifer, Jessbinder, Jessolomew, etc.
NEIGH
There does seem to be a varying number of letters in it and sometimes a plus
I met someone in a dream last night named Fobertleigh. There is no point to this, The post just reminded me of it.
This sounds like the NPC I make up on the spot when the players ask the guard their name
Pick a name and use it for every guard, except switch the first consonant every time.
They will get a kick out of it a few times, and then slowly learn that there’s no point in asking the guard’s name.
Lambert, Hambert, Tambert, Kambert, and Dambert all come from a long lineage of esteemed city guards :)
“Just call me Fob”
That’s kinda neat. Out of curiosity did they tell you their name in the dream or did you just sort of know it?
They told me. I was at work and introducing myself to someone new. Looking back now, I think it was a girl I went to highschool with but her name most certainly wasn’t Fobertleigh back then.
I like to think this was your brain trying really really hard to remember her name too. Put her right in front of you in the dream and just cobbled together whatever sound clicked when all your neurons tried to focus on her at once. Brains are so silly
Breh, what kid? I just discovered some people make half my rent and live a more meaningfull life.
Btw we live in small appartment, not some luxurious private island you’d expect for that kind of money.
Fuck this economy xD
not very active yet unfortunately but it was more of a hit than one would think on reddit
I think Sigurd Felix Wolfgang Atreides has some very rich parents.
Omg, is that Matt Bernstein??!!
Yup. Matt’s great. Love the podcast.
“The terms pansexual, omnisexual, fluid and queer-identified are regarded as falling under the umbrella term bisexual (and therefore are considered a part of the bisexual community). Some use LGBT+ to mean “LGBT and related communities”.[29] Other variants may have a “U” for “unsure”; a “C” for “curious”; another “T” for “transvestite”; a “TS”, “2S”, or “2” for “two-spirit” persons; or an “SA” for “straight allies”.[48][49][50][51][52] The inclusion of straight allies in the LGBT initialism has proven controversial, as many straight allies have been accused of using LGBT advocacy to gain popularity and status in recent years,[53] and various LGBT activists have criticised the heteronormative worldview of certain straight allies.[54] Some may also add a “P” for “polyamorous” or “pangender”, an “H” for “HIV-affected”, or an “O” for “other”.[14][55] The initialism LGBTIH has seen use in India to encompass the hijra third gender identity and the related subculture.[56][57]”
Only Anglo-Saxons can make not being straight an overly structured and semantically confusing endeavour, lol. 🤷
Only Anglo-Saxons can make not being straight an overly structured and semantically confusing endeavour, lol. 🤷
Except the thing about India at the end of your quote…
Just say ‘queer’
as a member of the letter gang, can we just call ourselves the letter gang and be done with it?
I propose it should be changed to PFQ: “Pretty. Fucking. Queer.” 🏳️🌈
Think of the asexuals! PQ (pretty, queer) or POFQ (pretty, optionally fucking, queer) are much better.
Short and badass… I’d sign the petition. 😅
There are straight trans people in the LGBT community. It’s not as simple as “not straight”.
Enlighten me, Jack.
A trans woman interested only in men is heterosexual. A trans man interested only in women is heterosexual.
They just tried… Trans people are part of the queer community they can still be attracted to the opposite gender.
Either I skipped over the word ‘trans’ or it was added later on…
LGB T QIA+
I usually only hear LGBTQIA+ which has the I for intersex and the A Aro/Ace spectrum. The Q is just queer which is a an umbrella term for everything. I don’t really see the issue with others though, I also wouldn’t know how to make it less complicated in any language. Describing oneself as straight is just comparatively easy as it one thing rather than every other sexuality + also gender stuff. Being homosexual is also just one word and no more difficult.
If “queer” is an umbrella term then why wouldn’t the whole community just be referred to as such?
Similarly, I’m not 100% sure about this but afaik the + got commonly added before the IA, and I really dislike adding anything specific after a generalized “everyone who feels part of it” because doing that delegitimizes that the + actually means everyone. Though it also does suck if people feel excluded otherwise.
I’ve seen queer used to refer to the whole community though, but I think LGBT(+whichever addendums) has just been around for so long it’s most people’s goto, plus “queer” used to be a slur.
In my head it’s just “people not conforming to the majority group for sex or gender related reasons” and then I write whatever my brain decides is the term in that moment. Usually LGBTQ+.
I tried to explain the main reason that I’m aware of in this comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/17894502
As a way to simplify, I’ve always like GSM: Gender and Sexual Minorities. Seems to encompass everything without prioritizing any of the letters, and doesn’t require choosing an arbitrary stop point for which letters to list or not list.
My nerdy ass brain was like “how in the Windows environment can someone like GSM” and then I continued reading…
What’s wrong with gsm?
Interesting that Q essntially fills up for every other character in the initialism, incluing the + which essenially acts as an etc. to said initialism. One can pretty much choose and pick which letters to use when crafting their usage of an initialism, and which letters to hide in the +. One could call it the LBT+ community, or the L+, or T+. Or B+. Or just call it + for maximum efficiency. Or you could just call it the Q community, as Q encompasses everything else. What some otherwise call the Queer community
Edit: I am no expert. Let the gays correct me if needed be
A big downside to that is that queer was originally insult and some people have negative associations with it and therefore avoid it and might not want to be categorized as such I have heard the “queer community” be used especially in spoken language. The letters LGBT have also been around for a while so it would be weird to get rid of them now.
The thing about the initialism I find weird is there’s plenty of variation, and people can almost sorta pick and choose, build their own initialism. Sure, some are used more than others, but no apparent standard per se. So which ones get included in the initialism, vs. which ones are hidden behind the + or behind the Q, or perhaps neither the + or the Q gets used. Kinda like the flag. You have the classic, popular one. The colours have their meaning, but not specific to certain “letters” (groups of people). But then you have some with black and brown, for people of colour. Some add trans colours. Some have that purple with ring thing I can’t remember if it’s non-binary or what. Nothing against these variations, though I wonder the need, when the originals were not specific or exclusive. The original colours weren’t about identity, far as I know. Now they make updates with identity-based meaning. If I am someone with less knowledge or something, and I’m gonna make use of an initialism or flag, which one would I choose? Would I just say LGBT and use the traditional six-colour flag? Would that be exclusive? Do I add the QIA+? Do I need black, brown, pink, blue on the flag? Shit, I didn’t add the Pi symbol. Is that a flag variant? Sure seen a flag with Pi on it
Acts of consentuality. I feel I want to be informed and so I try to keep up, but no one should have the burden of having to keep up with any changes in verbage. I think it would be nice to have it voiced as simply as consentual. There really is no other information anyone should care about. Sex/gender/number of people, none of it matters.
Whether they marry monogamously, date openly, love however the person chooses to. It isn’t for me to cast my opinion on their acts, so it may cause harm to put detailed labels, as then they are easier to be weaponized.
That doesn’t mean people shouldn’t or couldn’t openly discuss their choices, just that when you make the boxes and ask people to put themselves in them, then the boxes divide the people, which is easier to “conquer”
