I mean you’re half right. In a zoo, the keepers care for their animals, making sure they’re well fed, enriched, and healthy.
We’re being farmed. They are using us to make money from our produce (labour). They’re using us to make money. We’re so over exploited we simply cannot afford to have children.
The birth rate moral panic is 100% manufactured by neoliberal capitalists who simultaneously want high consumption and low wages, which is a logical impossibilty. You cannot have a consumerist society where the average consumer lives paycheck to paycheck
A man must always live by his work, and his wages must at least be sufficient to maintain him. They must even upon most occasions be somewhat more; otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family, and the race of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation…
Every species of animals naturally multiplies in proportion to the means of their subsistence, and no species can ever multiply beyond it. But in civilised society it is only among the inferior ranks of people that the scantiness of subsistence can set limits to the further multiplication of the human species; and it can do so in no other way than by destroying a great part of the children which their fruitful marriages produce.
The liberal reward of labour, by enabling them to provide better for their children, and consequently to bring up a greater number, naturally tends to widen and extend those limits. It deserves to be remarked, too, that it necessarily does this as nearly as possible in the proportion which the demand for labour requires. If this demand is continually increasing, the reward of labour must necessarily encourage in such a manner the marriage and multiplication of labourers, as may enable them to supply that continually increasing demand by a continually increasing population.
- Adam Smith, the father of capitalism
They hate Smith almost as much as Marx
I don’t want to bring kids in this world that will inevitably grow up with a father when I take out all my frustration and grievances on members of the ruling class.
They’re gonna wish I used a guillotine.
I love this person’s glasses.
im not spending a fortune to raise a child when i can barely afford eggs
Don’t worry when they get desperate enough they’ll make condoms illegal
Nice humblebrag I guess, I’m beginning to forget what eggs even taste like
The math has changed.
100 years ago, you’d get kids so you can afford eggs.
I would kill for a family. I’ll die alone, I’ve accepted that. I understand that im unconventional and weird, I just wish I could meet someone that reflected that. But it’s just not in the cards for a man like myself. So ill die surrounded by my animals and hopefully they’ll consume my flesh so I can become Jesus 2.0 but with animals
You and me both sis
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Wtf was this comment lmao
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I’m trying to get pregnant, but it’s kinda hard when you’re a guy. I won’t stop trying, tho. 🫡
Slay,
queenking!queing?
Arnold Schwarzenegger did it, so can you 👍
Kinky
Never give up 💪
Nothing is impossible.
Auto-insemination?
Full auto.
Hey, no full auto in the womb bro.
On a more positive note the newest IPCC report on climate has population decline being the biggest positive impact on climate change, so keep at it!
I want biological kids, and I’m right about the point in my life where it would make the most sense to have them. But whenever family asks about it, I tell them I’m not raising children in this kind of administration. They try to suggest that it’s not that bad and I stand firm that they’re not seeing grandbabies until the government stops being so fashy.
Actually, millennials could probably hold our hypothetical babies hostage, see what’s more important to them.
Actually, millennials could probably hold our hypothetical babies hostage
Given how many kids are in some combination of foster systems, detention centers, corrections programs, or concentration camps, maybe millennials need to start finding the actual babies and liberating them.
Women have a biological clock on them, makes no sense waiting for different admin.
I directly know multiple people who had to get what were effectively late term abortions due to pregnancy complications that would’ve put their lives at risk otherwise. We don’t live in the US, so they were fortunate to be able to get the medical care they needed, but it underscores the scariness of the situation in the US; these risks mean that becoming pregnant in the wrong place could literally be a life or death matter. If treatment is received, even people who experience severe complications may be able to have a successful pregnancy in future. Not having access to these things risks breaking the biological clock anyway, so waiting is not unreasonable.
Born in 84, I’ve noticed something of a trend in my area. Late gen X and late millennials are having children, most are having two or three, but a lot of people like me born in the mid 80’s aren’t. While this is by no means universal, there does seem to be more people within five years of my age going without kids.
Want higher birthrates? Just convince people that tomorrow will be better than today.
That’s how you see a spike in birth rates.
To maintain a steady birthrate, just convince potential parents that the world will not be any worse for their children than it is today.
See, easy.
They’re taking the opposite approach.
In the past families had a bunch of kids because they needed extra laborers to stay afloat, plus childhood mortality rates were so dire they needed spares to cover for the ones who wouldn’t make it.
We’re already seeing pushes towards removing child labor laws, and RFK Jr is well on his way to ensuring death from easily preventable diseases makes a comeback.
Capitalist Corporations: … hmmmm … I guess there’s no choice … artificial human breeding it is!
I feel like this is a plot of a dystopian movie somewhere where they breed artificial humans to make into slaves
The robots are coming for our women. 🤖😳
Capitalism would also charge for every part of the process, raising the price as some techno feudal lord thinks they can find the right balance between extinction pricing and maximum shareholder value.
Then they do the calculation on the costs to raise the children and decide it’s not economically viable.
It’s always economically viable, just a matter of tracking all the expenses and adding it to the child’s debt. As soon as it’s old enough to work you can garnish it’s wages for all that unpaid debt
It would be economically viable up to a certain age. And if you maintained a certain age average, costs could be easily maintained to sustainable levels.
When you start analyzing the world and people as a series of costs and expenses, it’s very easy to find solutions.
As humans, we’ve already done that many times before … most recently in the 1940s on an industrial scale … we are capable of doing it again.
I mean… Shiiii. That sounds easy as hell! Jerry! Why didn’t you tell us about this idea before??? You have??? We’d have to give them HOW much to do that?? Nevermind then.
A friend of mine has three kids and works 70 hours a week. He is not able to make enough to support his family, and social services have been cut so much that his only option is to take out a personal loan, which will only make his problem worse.
14 hours leaves you barely 2 hours of personal time in a day. That’s barely enough to just eat and maybe relax but then if you have 3 kids even that time is gone taking care of them. How and why would anyone put themselves through this, like after the first or second kid wouldn’t your own limits become apparent
14 hours leaves you barely 2 hours of personal time in a day
You’ve misspelled “commute”
Yeah didn’t think about that but that’s probably another 2 hours of energy spent on driving, because everything is spread out and there’s no good public transportation options outside of specific areas
Some people find themselves in places where they lack the choice to limit themselves to two children when an accident happens. Not everyone has the resources to travel to a place where they would be able to make a choice.
What, are you using the word places as a metaphor or literally, cause I’ve never heard of a location where you have to have more kids than you can afford, other than maybe villages where kids are seen as free labor
Currently, in the US there are States were you can get an abortion and States were you cant. So, if you have an unplanned pregnancy you are kind of fucked.
Oh yeah I forgot about that, that is messed up, I hope this period of madness ends soon and we can get some normalcy back
If they are following the usual timeline, that’s another 4 years until a world war, and then another 6 years until someone drops a bomb and ends everything.
In the USA? If yes, the US is a sick country in regard to income distribution, labor laws, healthcare and public services. However, if your friend voted MAGA, zero sympathy and he/she can carry on.
I don’t think children should suffer regardless of who their parents voted for, I find your callousness as bad as bad as those that voted for Trump.
However, if your friend voted MAGA, zero sympathy
It’s so bizarre to see liberal politician after liberal politician promise economic reforms common to the rest of the industrial world, then fail to deliver over and over again.
And then someone sees a ghoul like Hilary Clinton or Joe Biden running at the top of the ticket, or an American Psycho like Newsom or Adams or Cuomo trying to hijack any semblance of progressive politics for their own vainglory. And they say “Nope, not supporting that garbage”.
Then everything that comes after is on their heads, somehow.
Not on the heads of the trillionaire plutocrats setting economic policy. Or military leadership goading us into the next war. Or evangelical hucksters selling snake oil to desperate people.
Nope. Always the fault of Joe Dirt when Obama can’t win his third term.
Growing up, I was of the mindset that I would have got married and started a family by this point in my life. But as of the last few years, my thoughts have done just about a 180.
Even if I was currently with someone/married, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t want to raise kids in this day and age in the US (the bullet dodged me when my ex-girlfriend used plan b after we got intimate without protection). I think best case scenario for me now would be DINK, but gotta find someone that can put up with my dumpster fires first.
Just find someone with similar dumpster fires, then you’ll both burn in the passions of what you love
Also, thanks for mentioning DINK - Double Income No Kids … never heard of that before and now I learned something new.
Like yuppies was a play on hippies except it stood for Young Urban Professional
My favourite was WASP
White Anglo Saxon Protestant
Currently living that live and fuck me is life easy right now. Cats instead of kids is a very tempting option.
Me too! Our cat is the perfect child, most of the time. Except when she pukes on the bed.
Children also do disgusting things but they usually grow out of it, whereas a cat can be joking up hairballs its entire life
On the other hand, my cat won’t want an iphone in middle school and will never attempt university on my $$$ :D
Same dink is my dream but hard to find partners who are into it, or who you like and who like you
I’m loving my perfectly resonant dumpster fire he’s curled up next to me right now!
why would I want to bring somebody into this world. they’d only have to fight for basic things like “let’s be nice to each other” and “maybe we should pool our money to spend it on big things that benefit us all”
fuck that. I’ll live my little servile life as a cog in the machine as best I can, and then I’ll die. and the dumb fucks who won’t stop breeding while they try to make things worse for their children will repopulate the earth
No you don’t understand. We’re the most prosperous we’ve ever been at any point in time. There was literally no other time better than this. Life is wonderful in every way
/s
I’m generally a happy person but I hate people who say this.
I’m right there with you. They’re basically saying “things could be worse, so there’s no point in wanting them better.” It’s a nonsensical thought-terminating cliché.
This is how i feel as well. I understand im a cog in the machine, but i just want a relatively comfortable life until the sweet embrace of nothingness takes me in
