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I was right now years old when I put those two things together.
Happy Right Now day!
Another TIL right here
This is one of the biggest aha moments for me regarding MAGA (and many groups like them). It’s all a form of theater to them, similar to pro wrestling. They use words as shorthand.
Instead of looking at someone’s behavior and deciding what words are fit to describe them, they do the opposite. They take the words* already associated with that person and use that to assume their behavior. That makes it very easy to foster their collective tribalism and also makes it very easy to fit yourself into their movement when you know the right words to use to describe yourself (making it an incredibly ripe environment for conmen and corruption).
There are elements of this way of thinking on the left but it is not nearly as promenent, I believe because to be on the left you have to be open to nuance and willing/able to consider complicated ideas in order to be able to seriously consider leftist positions.
*It must be noted also depends on their understanding of the word as well, but the point still stands - they make assumptions based on their understanding of the noun. It’s real mushy-brained behavior.
This is why they hate science as well. Instead of using evidence to come to a conclusion, they start with the conclusion and twist evidence to fit the presumed conclusion.
Cant tell if sarcasm or you deal with bad science. You dont define success before the study/evidence is gathered?
You do define success of an experiment by forming a hypothesis, yes.
What we’re observing here is starting with a conclusion or desired outcome, willfully ignoring everything but the pieces that support it, then telling everyone that something is true because of that. Meanwhile, the validity or statistical significance of those cherry-picked supporting pieces is also ignored.
Accepting a failed hypothesis in light of disproving evidence is what science is. It has no stakes in anything else but verifiable truth, even if it hurts, is politically inconvenient, or downright ugly.
No but see it’s okay because we can just focus really hard and punish really brutally for the frivolous silly thing!
Damn. That fact is a great example of how Christianity was used to manipulate people
Losing sight of the morals to perform the rituals.
They never cared about morals for themselves - they want to gain an advantage for themselves by forcing “morals” upon others.
To me, a system of morals implies something that can be assimilated to, where the end state is either membership of the in-group or joining a tolerated but “moral” out-group. That’s not happening either: it’s insurmountable classism or segregation at best.
To be fair, it’s both. It basically just says “Don’t invoke God’s name unless it’s important”. Don’t swear by God unless you actually mean it, don’t call out his name in thanks unless you genuinely believe it, and so on and so on.
Tbh it could have just been God going “You know how you get a ping when someone does an @everyone on Discord and it really annoys you? Yeah well I get that whenever someone uses my name, so knock it off unless it’s important!”
God asking everyone to only @me for something really important and then having to mute notifications really makes a lot of sense overall.
No it isn’t. God has a name and it’s not God. The reason we refer to him as God and not his name is this exact reason, so as not to use it in vain.
I told my buddy that god has a proper name and he was like, “No way!” And I was like, “Yahweh!”
Because an all-knowing all-powerful being doesn’t know when you’re talking about it unless you use its birth name I guess
Yeah it’s like when your mom calls you by your full name and you know you’ve really fucked up.
Im not Christian anymore but the more I study scripture the more I am inclined to believe God is neither all powerful or all knowing. For example if he was all knowing, he would have never promised Noah not to flood the earth again. There is not a chance in the universe that the world was more wicked in the past than it is today. If by no other standard than sheer numbers. More people have been killed in the last 200 years than humans alive in the time before Christ.
How would it even have a birth name?
You’ll have to ask pacattack, I was being sarcastic
Maybe he shouldn’t have so many names then lol
Ex-mormon here. I would say any of the curse words as a kid, but saying “God” as a curse was the line I never crossed. It was very self righteous.
Anyway, I see it in a very different light now.
I’m glad you see things differently.
I’m not opposed to belief in God, but institutionalized religion doesn’t sit well as it seems largely as a method to control people.
That, and I could never get past the Epicurian paradox.
Is it the reason why you were stoned to death if you said Jehovah?
I’d had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was, ‘That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.’
Blasphemy! He’s said it again!
throws stone
Well, “In vain” means to do something without success, so of course conservatives of all ilks think it’s fine to do, as long as they’re winning.
No that’s giving them way too much credit, they’re just empathy free parasites sucking all the sustenance they can.
The way the word is used in Hebrew isn’t that meaning of vain. It is vain in the sense of “vanity.” Emptiness of speech, lying, etc.
Martin Luther interprets the commandment thusly:
You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God.
What does this mean? We should fear and love God so that we do not curse, swear, use satanic arts, lie, or deceive by His name, but call upon it in every trouble, pray, praise, and give thanks.
And I think lying and deceiving very much encompasses the way the “Christian” Nationalists manipulate the religious.
This is what I get for trying to reproduce conservative brain thoughts without an explicit tag. I blame myself. (I was raised old school Catholic and know this but it’s basically deep lore for anyone unfamiliar, so thank you for adding that context. I love that people on Lemmy do this FAR more often than ever happened on that other site.)
The way the word is used in Hebrew isn’t that meaning of vain. It is vain in the sense of “vanity.” Emptiness of speech, lying, etc.
This. The word used in the original Hebrew is “shav” (שוא) - which can mean either “vain” or “false” - and the original meaning of the commandant is to not swear in God’s name on something that’s not true. Of course, the religious leadership immediately thought “well, we’re obviously not going to refrain from lying, and refusing to invoke God’s name just because we’re lying is going to make it suspicious, so let’s just say we are not supposed to invoke his name at all”
religion is and always has been a way to manipulate and control the weak minded.
It should be “Oh my god”, not “Oh my God”, right?
i like “oh your god” it feels more blasphemous
