The whole point of
generative AIplagiarism laundering machines is to make it harder to tell you’re consuming a soulless regurgitation of legitimate talent.tbf, a lot of pop and generic stuff is incredibly soulless and it was made by people. One silver lining is that hopefully the artistic part will be more embraced in music because the driving force for a lot of it is money and not art. Not defending AI in any way though, fuck that bullshit to hell.
There’s a formula people like, so they just repeat stuff
Whatever your view is on AI.
If you don’t notice, why does it matter?
Like seriously, if you are fine with listening to crap and are enjoying yourself. Why does it matter who or what willed it into existence? Isn’t the whole point that it is amusing? Plenty of crappy artists making crap music as well, if you like em you should be able to just enjoy them.
So, my mother is pretty hopelessly addicted to shorts, right? (Facebook reels, Youtube shorts, Tiktok, etc.) And the other day she calls me over to watch one that had just come up on her feed. It was a kitten and a parrot playing. The parrot was talking and the kitten kindof batted at and nuzzled the parrot.
Cute as fuck. Sickeningly so. But something was definitely off. The parrot’s voice was wrong somehow. The cat was a little too… smooth. The way they moved just wasn’t quite right. Clearly an AI generated video. (The audio was probably a human speaking, pitched up and made a little squeakier via simple audio editing. But my point is that no cat and parrot had ever existed in front of a camera doing quite what this video depicted.)
My mother never considered it might be AI-generated until I said it was.
And… what’s the harm? As I said, it was cute. Who cares whether it was “real” or not if it made the dopamine squirt in my mother’s brain?
We’re kindof living in a post-truth world. It doesn’t matter whether content is “real” or not. If it feels good great. If you completely disengage your critical thinking skills and just assume it’s real (or even worse, define real/impactful in terms of what makes the dopamine squirt and not in terms of truth), it feels even better. Produces more of that sweet sweet dopamine.
A person who cares whether something is true/real/authentic may fall for it anyway and still be manipulated thereby. But one who doesn’t care, you don’t even have to manipulate. They’re already living a fantasy.
That’s how you get “alternative facts” and of right-wingers claiming “we white, cishet, christian, men are the ones who are really oppressed.”
Enjoying AI-generated music knowing it’s AI-generated is a red flag. Enjoying it and not realizing it’s fake is extremely concerning. Worst of all is enjoying it and not caring.
When my mother showed me that video, I felt sick to my stomach. Not because it was “too cute.” (Ok, a little bit because it was sickeningly cute, but mostly…) Because she’d been so easily manipulated. And because there were a few seconds before I realized it was fake during which I was similarly manipulated.
My mother also has a problem with blindly trusting Google AI overviews and it’s been a problem a few times.
Every AI-generated bit of media or information I consume makes me feel like I’ve been “tainted”, poisoned, unclean. I’m sure despite the care I’ve taken to verify sources and such, I’ve fallen for it in some ways, but it’s hard to know where/how specifically and what negative effects that will have on me at a later date.
And no, this problem didn’t start with AI, but AI certainly hasn’t helped the situation.
But to bring it home, what you asked wasn’t about AI-generated fake news or cat videos. It was about jazz.
Before AI-generated music like what’s referenced in the OP existed, we had autotune. And I think that’s similarly problematic for the same reason as AI-generated cat videos are. I think people using autotune blatantly to where they weren’t trying to hide it’s use but rather used it as a cool distortion effect was a hugely positive development specifically because it revealed the fact that it wasn’t real.
Maybe someday we’ll end up with an equivalent for AI-generated music. And if so, maybe I’ll be cool with “blatantly AI” music. But so long as we have music that fools people into thinking it was made by flesh-and-blood humans on physical pianos, upright basses, saxaphones, etc, it’s concerning as fuck.
If I ever fall for that shit, please slap me. And if I say I don’t care whether it’s real or not, shoot me.
In my opinion that says more about Jazz than about LLMs trying to mimic real music.
Damn that’s racist.
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Black people finally invented a music white people didn’t want to steal.
‘Surely this won’t affect what I like,’ said people with no pattern recognition.
It doesn’t say anything about LLMs, they just do lyrics, and they’re definitively shit, and you can tell right away.
Image generation models actually aren’t terrible at generating melodies, so for genres like Jazz and EDM they make surprisingly acceptable music.
https://suno.com/song/978f2814-221d-40a7-adc4-f31d0d1bed43
Is this not a genuinely great song?
It’s over
We are getting closer and it makes me very sad.
There were some songs (of different genres) which I thought “huh, sounds really good” and then noticed, that it was AI (either by a disclaimer in the description, people in the comments or by the voice; the voice of AI is still fairly noticeable) and went “fuuuuuuuck, now I don’t want to like it”. And this annoys me, as I know it will happen more often and also that I will miss out noticing it more. AI creations can get flooded while real creators getting drowned out (looking with much disgust at you Pixiv and DeviantArt).
But I also want to add that I am not against AI assisted music creations. But then the creator must disclose where and how much the AI was involved.
I refuse to consider anything AI generated to be legitimate art.
There’s nothing intentional about it, you simply give a prompt to a machine and it matches the pattern. That isn’t art just like how doing madlibs isn’t the same as writing literature.
A person using AI tools can be ok as long as it’s a human doing the overall composition.
Like using AI to make samples to use in a song is fine, using AI to generate the entire song isn’t.
It’s functionally no different than an artist making a commissioned work, though. The artist is given a prompt by the client and they use what they’ve learned and trained on to produce the thing.
It is entirely different. It’s like the commissioner taking credit for the artist and calling themselves the artist because their money bought the imagery into existence.
AI generations aren’t art and people who take them and pass them off as art are frauds to themselves and others.
It’s like you didn’t read my comment at all
Look at the ratio and then question your own reading comprehension.
8 other people read our exchange and agreed with me.
Maybe instead of literally everyone but you having poor reading comprehension you’ve just got a bad point.
Mob mentality isn’t necessarily correct. Blanket hating AI is the default on Lemmy so I’m not surprised by the ratio. You also harped on the people imputing prompts not being artists when I was clearly comparing them to clients.
The truth is that people said shit like you’re saying about digital artists when that first became a thing.
Gen AI is still in its infancy, and it’s not going to go anywhere.
Did you read my comments?
Where did I claim that AI is going anywhere?
You really need to work on your reading comprehension little bro because you’re bringing shit I never mentioned up like it’s some kind of refute to what I actually said.
Sorry but I’m not going to glaze you like your beloved LLM.
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This has completely killed my desire to listen to random music albums ive never heard of on YouTube. Sadly.
I’m a fairly recent jazz convert, and there’s absolutely no way I would be able to tell the difference. None.
Once you realize all of modern Western music is simplified jazz with new timbre, it makes a lot more sense. (Someone come and fight me about how John Coltrane)
Listens to the same repetitive sample of light jazz for 30 hours, enjoying himself
“The AI has won”
Come back to it a week later. It sucks. Start looking for something more novel and organic
“Who is this Miles Davis guy? What’s a Dizzy Gillespie?”
Tastes original high quality art. Has a cathertic experience. Comes back to AI Slop one more time.
“Holy mother of God, this music is actual dog shit”
Listens to the same repetitive sample of light jazz for 30 hours, enjoying himself
“Hmmmm, human music. I like it.” - Jerry Smith of Rick & Morty
I like experimental electronic sound. There have been moments where I’m driving, hear a new beat, enjoy it…then realize I need to take my car to the mechanic.
Sure, AI can create music that I can’t tell is AI generated. But there is a difference between “enjoyable” and “good”. My concerns about AI have very little to do with the quality of content it can create. Even if eventually it can make “good” music it still sucks.
I stopped using Spotify exactly for this reason. Plex it is.
Spotify is playing AI music? Or just the music recommendation algo?
I feel like Spotify went downhill when they fired all the playlist makers, it’s so ass for finding new music because the algo tries to keep you in a bubble.
Spotify is playing AI music and they’re also inserting AI generated songs into playlists without informing the user. I was getting AI generated music in my blues and jazz playlists, and I didn’t even know until I reverse searched the artist.
That’s true, idk anything about Spotify’s history but I joined hoping it would help me find cool music and it really didn’t. I know my friend uses it for that and it works for him, I think though the music I’m starting with is too specific and narrow or smth (even though there’s several different genres)
I wish there was just some quiz thing where it plays 300 little clips and you rate how good they sound, and then it could iteratively refine the quiz and recommendations as you go on
Yeah it really sucks because they used to have people putting together the playlists and then I could just go into the playlist of songs I like and find other songs that are similar but different. There was enough drift on it but I could find new music easily.
Now the algorithm just keeps trying to redirect me the songs I already like/know. It’s a much tighter bubble than just sticking with a genre or even sub genre.
I got recommended a new song by Architecture in Helsinki. Oh holy shit, they’re back together and released something?
Nope, someone spoofed the band name and its an AI generated song about Minecraft. Somehow this still caused it to get immediately recommended to me.
Just hitting random notes counts as jazz, right?
If you do it once, it’s a mistake; if you do it twice, it’s jazz. This is the rule.
Only if you’re H Jon Benjamin and have an actual jazz band playing with you
I mean, if an infinite number of monkeys writing forever will produce the entirety of Shakespeare’s œuvre, surely they’d manage some Miles Davis or some Coltrane if you gave them instruments.
this is why i dont listen to music anymore…just alone with my dark, horrible, self loathing thoughts, and existential dread. id write a song about it except i have no innate musical talent whatsoever.
if only i had someone i could talk to, that would put my feelings into song, instantly, with virtually little to no cost to me…
…roh… my… god…
this is why i’ve switched to strictly listening to kasane teto songs
wow, this is disgusting.
and not OPs jazz i was looking for
I only discover bands through KEXP, Tiny Desk, local shows and whoever is opening for my favorite artists, so I should be good. All the “related” and “recommendeds” of the world are dead to me. I’m keeping it in the family.
