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Just in case anyone is not aware: This slogan is referring to collective punishment, which is a war crime. She is advocating for war crimes, shamelessly, in front of the populace.
Someone shoot that bitch. And tRump and the rest of the cunts around him.
Don’t ask for her to be shot. That’s unclassy and rude. Politely ask someone to Kirk her.
Get kirked
🫢why did I read that in the voice of Rick?!
“Get kiiirkt! Motherfucker! 🖕🏻🖕🏻 season 8! Rick and Morty!..” Etc.
And her husband (if there is someone that can stand her) can then start fucking someone else from the administration. So it is complete Kirking. Maybe Vance would be up for it? He seems to not care, as long as it’s white.
War crimes only apply to war. For example, the use of chemical weapons is a war crime, but their use against your own population is apparently fine and dandy.
True, but I think that the point stands. Advocating for something that is a war crime, even while not at war, should be treated very seriously.
Of course it should be treated very seriously. It won’t, but it should. The government threatening the people is literally what the 2nd amendment is about.
Fine and dandy
crimes against humanitySparkling crimes
War crimes against the people in her own country
Many things which would be war crimes if carried out by soldiers are legal if done by law enforcement against the people they’re supposed to defend
Then they are crimes against humanity
Yeah, looks like I didn’t fully finish the thought in my head 😅 The seriousness of this situation cannot be overstated. It goes without saying that since taking office, the regime started their campaign of terror without hesitation, and have stepped it up by the day.
I want to clarify something that others aren’t. Yes, things that would be war crimes aren’t if not used in war, but this doesn’t give a reason. A lot of them are to prevent mistakes in war, not because it’s evil. For example, you aren’t allowes to use chemicals that are often used on civilians, but it isn’t because they’re particularly harmful. It’s because you don’t know what they are until latter, so if you see it you may respond with your own chemical weapons, which may be harmful. This is just one example, but a lot of the time “war crimes” are there to prevent escalation, not because of how harmful they are. (Obviously some are because of the harm though.)
I tried to find a definition that would explain that and failed. Can you provide some source for that claim? What you refer to does seem to be a violation of warfare laws but not war crime, which is a violation of humanitarian law
holy fuck. Not even said, they made a fucking podium
And how would they react if protestors for Renee Good waved that slogan on a sign about ICE?
Being a leftist is fun because the fascists have threatened to purge entire communities in response to violence against ICE and we’re arguing about the historicity of the quote and whether displaying a phrase on a podium is technically a quote or not.
I don’t understand why people would even be debating that.
if you write something out and display it, it is no different than saying it out loud. that’s not debatable, that’s just the way it is.
My conspiracy theory is that on most big social media, these kinds of debates are mostly conducted by bots to manufacture consent, and that we get people here who just repeat the takes from the bots they’ve seen that have the most likes because they’re hoping they get that many likes too.
this is my take when you see the most asinine shit imaginable on the fediverse where it’s mostly real flesh and blood humans. people bring their biases from getting gassed in comments sections from other places in the form of influence campaigns and then say that shit with their whole chest. i don’t think this can really be fixed here on lemmy because of a variety of factors, i think the best that can be done is ensure that positive, anti-imperial, propaganda has presence that people can identify with and then get verbal confirmation of at group meetings for mutual aid or whatever
If it helps, in another post about if Renee Good’s driving was a part of why she was executed, Lemmy commenters were complaining about if using Google to search online was acceptable.
It’s kinda depressing honestly.
Attacking how communication is done instead of what’s being communicated is a form of subversion the CIA uses to mess with foreign actors. The left and its tolerance towards others (e. g. misgendering by accident) is very susceptible to such attacks and they’ve let themselves be decimated on the public stage because of it.
What violence against ICE?
The Trump administration has classified things like recording ICE on your phone as violence, and is using that to claim that violence against ICE is is up 400 bajillion percent.
Doesn’t matter about reality, they can respond to any thing they say, made up or not.
That’s a false dichotomy: it’s possible to argue about menial things AND conduct meaningful actions at the same time.
Also, the majority of Lemmy users are outside the US and have very little control over anything that has to do with US politics outside of urging Americans to get their shit together.
Its never okay to spread objectively false information. If they were directly quoting Nazis, I would be on the first plane out of here, leaving behind my family and all my property. When I first read this, my heart jumped, because I thought that’s what I now I had to do.
But then I see that it isn’t true. Yes, this is alarming and horrible, but do you really think it wouldn’t be any more alarming if they were directly quoting Nazi slogans?
It’s fucked up. No one is disagreeing with that. However, making shit up makes your argument weaker. The enemy will only have to point out that you’re making it up to get people to ignore you then. This post is specifically about the made up thing. If it was about the podium then there wouldn’t be an issue.
Be careful of false news that suits your narrative, it weakens our position.
That phrase has no known Nazi origin that I could find. As loath as I am to link to Reddit, there is a good write up here:
I’m inclined to give AskHistorians a pass. There is no community on Reddit that tries as hard as they do to moderate their way around the limitations of the platform and its management.
The verified posters tend to be millennial academics with masters or PhD’s in history or closely related fields, and they take the name of the community seriously. You are there to ask a historian a question, and if none answers, then so be it.
And I agree, pushing past the obvious dog whistle to go somewhere the data doesn’t lead is a way to weaken what should be a self-evidently powerful argument that the Trumpers are embracing ever-more-openly fascist positions on, well, everything.
I wholeheartedly agree.
If you ever want to check, just dona search and set the range of dates to end before the current outrage.
Before January, I couldn’t find a single use of that phrase on the internet.
But it’s not some dog whistle, it’s blatantly obvious what they’re saying. Don’t let them get it twisted up so that the only bad things are verbatim what nazis said.
Same. I did find a recent substack that acknowledges that this phrase as a reprisal war crime was not verbatim used by Nazi Germany, it was just “in the spirit” of how the Nazis did their war crimes.
https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins
Yeah, except that article is incorrect. The whole thing is made up. That isn’t a Nazi slogan and never was.
You didn’t read it.
One thing is clear: the phrase carries power, but its classification as a historic Nazi slogan is not supported by primary historical evidence.
It’s what they did
Good message. I agree.
However, their message is still abhorrent
Yeah, mods should probably delete the OP post imo… Its pretty bad to allow something blatantly false to spread like this. Especially looking at the upvote ratio.
Do none of you know what this is referring to? Okay, class time. Gather round, because I’m going to give you all a quick history lesson.
Oh, and you should check this out on the side. It will help with the learning.
I don’t know about whether there’s a connection between that slogan and the nazis, but the incident the slogan is allegedly coined from is definitely real.
The SS officer who was killed is Reinhard Heydrich, a SS officer who was high enough to be part of Hitler’s inner circle. Heydrich is understood to be one of the principal architects of the Holocaust.
The village who had its male population (except for the children) wiped out as revenge for Heydrich’s death is Lidice, in the modern Czech Republic.
By the way, you all should watch the movie Anthropoid. It goes over a dramatized version of the events.
And those who did survive got sent to concentration camps. Absolutely despicable behavior
Well that was fucking haunting. Ghouls
So many people in this post complaining that its misinformation because its not actually a quote because it wasnt spoken aloud or it doesnt actually come from the nazis. However. The Trump admin DID display this information WITH the intent to threaten the lives of all dissidents and almost certainly with the belief themselves that it comes from nazis, as they wholeheartedly stand on the side of nazis. This isnt misinformation, no matter how picky you want to be, and it is VERY relevant and important to share.
“This post which makes untrue claims isn’t misinformation because it’s heart is in the right place”
Behold: how conservatives became blindly accepting of any information as long as it fits their views
Sigh. I miss when Rage Against The Machine wasn’t political.
What are you going to tell me next, that Tom Morello has a degree in political science? He should just stick to playing the guitar.
Found Paul Ryan’s lurk account
Congrats, Amerikkka! You finally managed to achieve socialism! The National kind of Socialism!
EDIT: Apparently, the joke is not evident enough so I have to explain it so I’m not called a right-winger:
There is a double reference in the comment:
I wrote “Amerikkka” with 3 K for the KKK. (First part of the joke) to call them KKK members.
Then I used National Socialism (notice the capitalized words) instead of just socialism or national socialism (without capitalized words) to reference the name nazis gave themselves, to calll them nazis.
I hope this clears it up. As people are talking about “nuance” that I seem to be lacking.
that’s not socialism
Look for National Socialism. See if it checks.
Edit: Funny the amount of downvoters. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
maybe try and read a dictionary bud? sorry they downvoted you, but socialism is good, that isn’t socialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Smh. And I quote:
Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/ ⓘNA(H)T-see-iz-əm), formally named National Socialism (NS, German: Nationalsozialismus, German: [natsi̯oˈnaːlzotsi̯aˌlɪsmʊs] ⓘ),
So you don’t actually know what socialism is. If you did, you’d be the last one saying the Nazis were using the name correctly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Smh. And I quote:
Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems. Social ownership can take various forms, including public, community, collective, cooperative, or employee. As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, socialism is the standard left-wing ideology in most countries. Types of socialism vary based on the role of markets and planning in resource allocation, and the structure of management in organizations.
To misuse names as labels contradictory to substance is a hallmark of propaganda. I don’t fall for it. Just because Nazis want people to think they’re just crunchy on the outside while remaining warm and caring on the inside and pick a name they think will do that for outsiders doesn’t actually mean shit.
Nuance is important. Learn to look past the name.
Nuance is important. Learn to look past the name.
Says the one who was unable to get a joke comment in which I’m calling them “national socialist” and not just socialists to call them nazis (since the nazis called themselves national socialists and not simply socialists).
You talk about nuance and can’t see that I’m specifically calling them national socialists and not just socialsts.
Ffs, have you escaped from .ml? You look ridiculous in your defense of socialism when all I did was a joke about nazism.
Edit: You shouldn’t talk about nuance when you didn’t get the “nuance” on the first place. Notice the capitalized letters in the first comment and not just the name. Nuance is important, so by calling it National Socialism (mind the caps) and not national socialism (mind the caps again) I’m using not the general definition of the socialism but the name nazis gave to their movement (which was, as every name, capitalized). You didn’t get the joke. And that’s fine. But it’s not on me.
You sounded like a rightwinger who unironically confuses nazis with actual socialists, and it didn’t help that you started off defending what you said for two more comments rather than admitting you were joking and accepting that of course they’re different.
Yeah, this is the breaking point 🙄
Be careful, might be a few more breaking points flying over soon. 😅
It’s wild what they’ll put up with until you realize that they’re simply trying to pretend like it’s only the start so they don’t need to actually do anything about it yet.
They could be personally being stabbed and they’ll still say “ohhhh boy when it gets REAL bad I’m gunna be so cool and badass about this”.
The Trump administration is quoting Nazis, why am I not surprised?
Hey, thanks for the information!
Y’all remember when Trump supporters danced to Rage Against the Machine? https://youtu.be/ddrFt1BHkUQ
Of course they did, they’re all dumb
Most Americans are seriously dumb. The illiteracy level is insane for a western developed country, especially the riches country in the world. It could ensure all its citizens are well educated but we’ll educated citizens won’t vote for fascists, they won’t listen to the transparent bullshit lies of fox news and co, they won’t vote Republican because fuuuuck that shit.
Republicans have worked pretty much since WWII, especially starting with Reagan, to ensure the US citizens are as dumb as possible, it keeps them in power.
So Magas dancing to killing in the name of is pretty normal for them, as they have no idea what they’re doing, no idea what the song is about, no idea what RATM is about.
I’d feel sad for them if they weren’t so dangerous to themselves, to everyone in the US, and everyone in the world. I honestly have no idea how to solve this part, after trump and Maga is gone. How do you deprogram millions of brainwashed idiots that barely finished highschool?
How do you deprogram millions of brainwashed idiots that barely finished highschool?
You educate their kids and wait for them to die, unfortunately. I mean in essence, the PC movement as a whole has worked for the most part, it’s a slow gradual grind over many years, decades for some, tirelessly continuing to etch away at their bigotry.
But in short, to truly get rid of it, you wait for them to die.
Easier than you think. Just thrive. Be an example.
Oh. There’s a difficult bit as well… You have to get rid of any sociopaths that start talking to them or it’ll all happen again.
The women were sent to concentration camps and most of the kids were gassed. This is literally what they mean when they say “make America great again”
However, we found no evidence confirming that the phrase originated verbatim in Nazi Germany, as social media posts suggested. The origin of the phrase was unclear, but it did not appear to have been used by the Trump administration or other presidential administrations before appearing on the lectern. Online searches for the origin of the phrase returned only results for more social media posts claiming it had roots in the Nazi regime, without providing further evidence. Searches of newspaper archives also found no instances of the Trump administration or other governments using the specific phrase.
Mindlessly spreading without fact-checking, bad look.
All the shit they say about their opponents, and I’m supposed to be concerned about the accuracy of a them making a perfectly plausible statement?
I don’t fucking care, spread the story.
If it looks and acts like a duck it’s a duck. Nazi getting called out for being a nazi and you’re worried about the origin of the phrase.
It’s not and it’s a matter of time before either the second civil war or third world war happens.
Don’t call me overdramatic. Holocaust 2.0 is coming.
Coming to Amerikkka after beta testing in Gaza.
I can’t find any evidence of this being an actual Nazi slogan. Searching for the phrase and filtering by results before this week turns up pretty much nothing.
(Advocating for collective punishment is obviously unacceptable either way)
