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I hate to break it to you but… It’s been over 20 years. It’s more retro now than the SNES was when the 360 came out.
You’re hurting me.
This episode is 30 years old.
No u
Shit, that saying is over 20 years old.
It’s never too late to find a time warp to go back a few decades. The holos just don’t hit the same
Wow the diminishing returns between that time really comes into focus.
I mean yeah. There isn’t that much of a drastic shift in game design, except for the bleeding of RPG mechanics into more genres, more roguelite mechanics in indie games (choose one of 3) and having equipment systems in multiplayer FPSes. The biggest hit of 2024 was basically solitaire.
It’s hardly that much more different.
Wheras, going from snes through ps1 to xbox 360, things went from 2d (and extremely crude 3d) to textured 3d with jank controls to high fidelity games with standardised controls. Not much changed after that. The huge “innovations” of VR, motion controls, are basically niche due to economic factors, so people aren’t exactly having commonplace motion control VR experiences that put them in the game and comparing that to ducking behind cover in gears of war. They’re comparing making cover in Fortnite with ducking behind cover in gears of war.
The line between 4th and 5th gen (SNES to N64) was enormous, 5th to 6th was pretty significant, 6th to 7th was noticeable, and it’s been 20 years of small improvements since then.
Right. I bet more people play SNES than Xbox now as well.
SNES is far more accessible due to ease of emulation and small game sizes, so makes sense!
¿Que? The 360 has a LOT of excellent games.
I think they’re agreeing; game tech improved a lot more from the SNES to the 360 than from the 360 to now.
I meant like graphically.
Me then: “Haha ‘time marches on’ what a cool phrase”
Me now: “Yo, time, can we maybe slow the pace or take the break?” Time: “No. Only march on.” Me: visibly aging
I already have Father Time beating my ass before I even started playing Hades II lmao
Frankly, the reason this is shocking to people is that games, graphically and mechanically, made leaps and bounds from the SNES to the 360, and gave largely stagnanted from the 360 to now.
A LOT of people have completely failed to grasp how much technology has stagnated in the last 20 years.
Yeah, my smart phone with Internet access basically everywhere begs to differ.
The first smartphones were released in 2007…
You don’t think there’s any difference between today’s phones and the 2007 ones? Not in cell coverage either?
Not in terms of navigating a city, which have had universal coverage since the flip phone days.
Also, just an FYI: GPS has had global coverage since the 1970s and doesn’t require a cell signal at all.
Smart phone advancements have been incremental since they were released, very little had changed in terms of basic functionality. The biggest difference is that you can listen to music while your getting navigated now.
Dude, take the rose tinted goggles off for a second. I had a GPS navigation system for my car early on, around ~2010, maybe a little earlier, that thing was shit. It could hardly figure out where I was in the city. It would very often snap to the wrong road and I’d have to reboot it. Today, it’s simple. I just pull out my magical everything device and use an app. Technology has progressed A TON in 20 years.
I don’t understand, is that from now?
Yeah, but the SNES became retro the moment the PS1 came out. That leap in tech was ridiculous.
*crumbles into pieces like a Dry Bones*
You’re a generation off: It’s more retro now than the NES (US release) was when the 360 came out. We crossed that threshold about a month ago.
I don’t believe you.
You didn’t hate that at all.
Perhaps I’m in a minority but when the PS3 and 360 first debuted I did not consider even the NES to be “retro”. I would have applied that term to the likes of an Atari 2600 or colecovision.
The NES and Atari are separated by mere 6 years. The NES and Xbox 360 are separated by nearly 22 years. That’s how much the perception of graphical advancement has decelerated. Sure we keep making leaps on graphical fidelity, but ever more in areas that are less and less noticeable every time.
Why…why would you do this
And noticing that this tweet is already 5 years old is the cherry on top.
The tweet was slightly off then, Gamecube was just released at the end of 2001 and Wind Waker is 2003.
Ocarina of Time and Majora’s Mask were 1999 and 2000 though.
It’s now 2026, so Zelda 20 years ago was:
Except much lower resolution than that.
Don’t let Nintendo see this thread 0_0
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You wouldn’t emulate a handbag
It could be the Wii U version, I suppose, but that’s 10 years old.
It is over 20 years old… Fuck.
If you had asked me before I looked it up, I probably would’ve placed the original Xbox at 20 years old. Time is flying by.
The one in the picture is an xbox 360 s which is only 15 years old if that helps
The picture is an xbox 360 s
it’s an xbox 360 S which is different to a xbox one s, not to be confused with the xbox series s.
Also don’t confuse it with the Xbox 360 E.
And under no circumstances confuse any other Microsoft products with each other, except under confusing circumstances.
Why the fuck they wouldnt brand with this strategy is beyond me. I came up with this like 16 years ago and stand by it.
Xbox
Xbox 360
Xbox 720
Xbox 900
I’ve heard the reason for the name of XBox 360’s successor was that some marketing geniuses heard that most people called it “the three-sixty” for short, and thought “Great! Let’s call this the XBox One, and it will be referred to as The One! Like Neo!!”
And then, everyone collectively agreed on “XBone” 🦴
So the Xbox 720 is twice as good as the one before it, but the 900 only gives you a 25% increase? Who’d buy that garbage?
If you thought it was difficult to find help with Microsoft’s remote desktop program named Remote Desktop… They renamed it to… Windows App.
There’s more time between the release of the 360 and (picking a random game that released this week) Pathologic 3, than there is between then and the release of Super Mario Bros on the NES
The 360 was released in 2005. That’s over 20 years ago. Yes, they would be considered classics at this point. And know what, I wish more folks younger than myself discovered how gaming WAS and realize what it’s turned into.
It’s so blocky now. Even to my eyes, I can no longer play that Q_Q
Keep in mind the launch model of the 360 didn’t have an HDMI port, most people still had a CRT, and it didn’t even come with component cables, there was only a composite lead in the box, you had to pay extra for component cables if you wanted them.
I thought it was called the 360 because when you see it you turn 360 degrees and walk away.
Dunno if i’ve been whooshed or if you have a poor understanding of geometry, but have a good day either way.
It was a meme when the 360 got released.
Oh, mb then, TMYK
There’s an interesting looking hot dog stand just past it
Moonwalk away. Hee Hee.
It was called 360 because they didn’t want to release an Xbox 2 when PS already had 3. So they came up with 360 bullshit because it’s kind of like 3. So now PS are conveniently numbered and I have no idea which Xbox is the newest.
You turn 360 degrees youre still walking towards it.
It’s 21 years old this year 😭
Take solace that old != obsolete.
I still play Just Cause 2, Fallout 3 and a bunch of 360 GOATs
That’s older than the NES was when the Dreamcast was released.
That particular 360 is the new Xbox 360 that came with the Kinect and is only about 13 years old
Well, it’s over 20 years old now, so probably. It’s also really easy to softmod recently. Last year I got one for $25 at a thrift shop and modded it, so it’s also a great time to get one.
So far, I only played Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie on it though, and messed around a bit with the first release of Minecraft Xbox 360 Edition.
Can you get XBL Arcade games running on it? Half the games I’d want to play were on the arcade rather than disc games.
I actually only tested XBLA games, so yeah!
Nice
Is the softmod on it persistent between reboots? Last I looked into it you had to run the exploit every time.
Yep, that’s still true. However, you can install ABadAvatar onto a USB stick which will run the exploit automatically upon startup. It usually takes about a minute for the exploit to successfully start and occasionally crashes (only happened to me once).
Wake up, gen z boys and girls. You are not kids anymore. You are old af.
In my opinion, no. For me it’s not about time, 360 for the most part plays just like any other present day console. Only difference is that development and marketing budgets went out of control (a trend that was already underway during later seventh generation), and the relentless stream of CoD, Halo and GTA clones stopped (THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT).
Hey Saints Row 3 was actually funny
When consoles got “accounts” and avatars, that was the death of them. Theyre just subscription dumb terminal spyware now.
I think what killed the traditional console are the hardware progression and the decline of physical games. In 90s consoles had very different specs that gave them specialty. When you bought one it deteremined what kind of game library you would have access to, not just a few exclusives. And playing them was super convenient, you popped in your cartridge or disk and you were good to go.
Neither of those things exist today. While the console form factor still has value, there is no justification for the closed ecosystems around them in my opinion.
Jump, same. For me it starts at N64 era.
GTA clones stopped (THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT).
I mean, open world games are commonplace. It’s like saying “doomclones” stopped. Yeah, they became fpses.
but on the other hand “realistic crime open world games” kinda gta knockoffs were more commonplace back then.
Unfortunately, somehow, gta feels like a gta knockoff. I didn’t even finish V, and the satire just seemed less biting, and late to the punch. Like the jokes it was making had already been made elsewhere, so it felt stale and done before.
I guess it depends on when you played it. Remember that GTA5 came out in 2013. It was a little more current in its satire 10 years ago.
I guess it depends on when you played it.
when it came out
I mean, open world games are commonplace.
Nobody calls Minecraft or The Outer Wilds a GTA-like. Even if you want to stick “3D RPG” on there, nobody considers Morrowind or New Vegas to be a GTA-like.
On the other hand I would consider games like Cyberpunk: 2077 and Red Faction: Guerilla to be GTA-likes, as they both fall squarely in the GTA/Far Cry/Assassin’s Creed triangle. This has to do not just with the shape of the map, but the systems within it, the design ethos / expected player actions, and the way the narrative is structured and presented.
It’s like saying “doomclones” stopped. Yeah, they became fpses.
In my opinion mentioning “doom clones” is a thought terminating cliche. I have never seen it improve the quality of a discussion because it shuts down conversations about the similarities and differences between games and how much the various qualities contribute to creating a distinctive experience.
If the only thing a game had in common with DOOM was the structure of its levels then I wouldn’t even consider it comparable (at least for general description). If it had the same core gameplay mechanics and feel as doom but added some of its own ideas I might call it a doom-like. If a game just poorly imitated all of DOOM’s mechanics without bringing anything new to the table, then yeah, I would probably consider that to be a shitty knockoff.
I can only think of driver, saints row, maybe simpsons hit and run. Were there any others worthwile?
These two cases aren’t the same though. Doom built a whole new genre by building on Wolf 3D’s foundation, it just didn’t have a name at the time. Very few 90s fps games actually play like Doom, or even try to. They all got their own thing going.
GTA clones definitely wanted to be like GTA, I can tell by just looking at them. I didn’t play any GTA inspired games besides Retro City Rampage so I don’t know which titles in particular deserve to be seen as knockoffs but they were out there.
It has Kinect Star Wars. And… that’s basically it.
I’ll only accept a console is retro if you can emulate it playably on a phone.
So the PS3?
I need to re-cap my childhood Turbografx, so my toddler can experience some family Dungeon Explorer. She’s the age I was when my parents bought it.
I can still hear the ninja spirit death anthem.
Amazing console that can be easily softmodded nowadays. mine has a 1tb hdd attached, with over 200 games (incl. ~1/3 from xbox classic). I’ve been using it more than the PS4 or Steam, until I modded my PS4 too recently
My problem with the PS4 and the Switch was the library. Modding a 360 is just better.
On the other hand, most of the games I’ve gotten for my PS5 are PS4 games, though tbf they are mostly from the used game bargain bin at EB Games, so I guess it says more about the cheap ps4 library vs ps5.
Halo 3, Portal, and Super Mario Galaxy released closer to the launch of the Sega Genesis, the original Gameboy, and the fall of the Berlin Wall than today.
I’m only in my early thirties wtf
Start doing some back strengthening exercises yesterday.
oh I did. it was still too late. fuck your back up one time and end up in the hospital and it’s gonna bother you for life
stretching really helps though
Genesis launched in 1988/1989. The wall fell in 1989. The Gameboy launched in 1989 as well.
Yes those are the two things that were grouped with the wall in that comment
Ok?
Go on…
What they said is still true
Does clarifying the years make it less true? It makes it more understandable. I’m not sure how you came to such a weird conclusion.
I still use my old wired 360 controller to play games on my laptop. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!
Same! I love the form factor of it and it still hasn’t given out yet. Only thing that made me even think about wanting to replace it was the haptic/adaptive triggers on the PS5 controller. Don’t like the form factor but man those triggers are nice.
Its a nice controller but they are fragile af, look at them wrong and they start to act up.
That’s unfortunate. Too bad Sony has patented the haptics/adaptive triggers. It’s such a good feature, I would kill for an Xbox style form factor controller with triggers like that.
