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Well the gas would be cheaper if they could somehow make it contain advertising and data theft
Oh wait till you find out about how modern cars are mining your data, including facial recognition and reporting of you are having sex in the car! And the best part it’s all unregulated! Govt can simply buy the info for tracking even your Phone would be jealous of!
Somebody forgot all previous instructions and dropped those straight facts.
Never been happier to have a base model car from 2012
Never been happier to have a car that can’t even be sold in the US because it can’t connect to any form of network.
What car?
A Peugeot
That sounds like a pokemon
As someone who makes that software that does this, we can’t even figure out how to properly handle the data we actually want, like analytics to see if anyone actually uses the auto feature on your air conditioner. Nobody actually cares if you have sex in your car. Besides you’re on Lemmy we know your aren’t having sex.
Why is it all in the terms of service? Also there have there been numerous data leaks. The sex thing is from a specific manufacturer m’s TOS, but nonetheless
Sad accuracy noises
Well yea f course I’m not having sex, I’m on my phone at the kitchen table, where do you think I am, my car? (-)(-)
I love it when the government finds out when I have sex. It’s so romantic – just me, her, and the CIA.
It depends, if it out of the country it’s you, her, and the CIA, if it’s inside the US, it’s you, her, and the NSA
Don’t know which one I prefer as a cuck tbh
Why not both?
Sounds like a song title “it’s you, her, and the CIA”
It’s a party in the CIA
Sounds like something chef would sing.
At least send me the footage for my onlyFans
Where in America do you have gas pumps that don’t have ad TVs or ask you for your zip code?
Very few of the ones around me have the built in ad players. Several stations blare ads (inevitably largely for themselves, curiously enough) over the PA system constantly, though.
The ZIP code thing is for credit card verification. I ask for that too, when you pay me by credit card. I don’t have a choice unless I’d like to enjoy zero fraud and chargeback protection.
The gas station nearest me has screens that show ads, but they’re just for that facility and they don’t have audio. However, the store does have a PA system constantly playing audio, a combination of music and ads.
My favorite ad is the one that advertises themselves to advertisers. I don’t remember the exact wording, but it’s basically “want to advertise something? We’ve essentially got a captive audience and there are a lot of them!”
Lots of places now
You don’t get ads on your gas pump?
They don’t exist in my country, and to be frank, I’m shocked the ones in the US aren’t vandalised to hell and back by masked vigilantes at night.
The screen used for blaring ads is the same screen that you have to read to be able to use the pump.
Show ads on the screen -> screen is vandalised -> nobody can buy gas anymore -> people go to the gas station without ads (and thereby functioning screens) -> lose money to the competition-> recognise that you lose money by blaring ads -> stop blaring ads -> … -> profit
Hm. That’s a good point.
Better would be destroying the speakers. I can just look away from the screen showing ads, but it’s still annoying if they’re blaring in my ear.
The pumps do
Ohh that is a great idea. We can put different markers in different brands and then detect those markers in a customer’s breath to tell what brand they are using on the fly.
Then when you develop cancer from exposure we can use this information to market other brands. After all, why would you use Shell gas if it gave you cancer when you could use Exxon instead.
Why is your fuel so cheap??
Because the US is the largest exporter of petroleum products in the world.
Norway exports far more than they use, and petrol prices there are among the highest in the world.
That is a policy decision. In places like Saudi Arabia, gas is cheaper than water.
Norway, correctly, invested more into public transit and EVs, and high gas prices encourage that.
In places like Saudi Arabia, gas is cheaper than water.
Because it’s a fucking desert surrounded by salt water. Desalination is expensive.
Its a matter of abundance and where the government decides that abundance can go. Desal is expensive, but you have all the energy you need to power it flowing out of the ground, the cost is somewhat defrayed.
The Gulf states chose to hoard the wealth at the top and build major hubs without reliable public transit. Which is reflective of a policy decision. Its also a matter of what refineries are where and what grade of oil they will process.
US fuel is heavily subsidized compared to the rest of the world.
And assholes, but I saw a pack of hotdogs for 10 bucks today here in Oklahoma
Low taxes, high production, and government corn subsidies.
Probably before VAT.
Nope. Gas pumps are one of the only places in the US where the price as displayed includes taxes.
Because otherwise it would just be confusing? So let’s have two systems instead.
I mean if the US could get away with a more confusing system it would
That’s bizarre. Worse than being consistent, somehow.
I was thinking that. Hot fuck is that cheap.
I can’t tell if you’re from outside the US, or from California.
Ha. But am outside, and an online calculator says the price here converts to $9.08 a gallon for diesel. And that’s cheaper than it’s been recently.
I guess there has to be something positive about the country.
Political choices and lobbying
How have TVs gotten so cheap. It’s gotta be shit.
They stopped making them out of gasoline.
Boy you are gonna be shocked when you learn about where plastic comes from.
i mean they do have less plastic than before.
I’m guessing it’s all advertising deals and spyware. Oh, and the TV is still shit.
Yea, TVs are all “Smart” now. But they don’t have any truly new or useful features, they just record your conversations and transmit occurrences of keywords as “usage and diagnostic” data. I guess now they can use wifi to do occupancy scans of your house too, so that’s fun. Oh and they use Bluetooth to scan for nearby devices that are willing to cooperate in case you don’t put them on the LAN and they transmit that way.
Anyway, TNG has left Netflix. Can you fucking believe it?
TNG left Netflix like eight years ago… 🦜Yarrrr
My blu-ray set is still on my shelf.
Telly is a TV you can pre-order, which is completely free but apparently pays for itself with all the ads it will display lol
Nearly all tvs are smart tvs that make money with showing ads and selling data. Any loss on the hardware is made up on selling customer data and ad space. The tvs would be amazing if they didn’t come with smart features.
Is there any way to lobotomize these smart TVs? Even the specs on a cheaper mid-range would blow my current dinosaur out of the water
Don’t connect them to the internet.
True, I’ll probably end up going that route when this one dies (assuming they don’t all require sign in and heartbeats at that point)
Was hoping for something like a FOSS OS just for the convenience of keeping jellyfin up to date and cleaning up the useless baked in apps.
Use an external media player. Personally, I use a roku routed through a pihole.
This probably exists, or at least I hope it does
Iv stared coming across some that’s not remotely an option. They require a logged in account before they accept any input.
If you attempt to use a DNS ad blocker they also just stop working. Its fucking toxic.
Right back to the store then.
Fuck around and get a charge back.
Wow. Fuck that.
I’m actually curious enough to buy one to see how bad they actually are now.
Never connect them to the internet
You want your favorite streaming service on there? Get an older (used office) PC, load it up with (your prefered flavor of) Linux, get a bluetooth keyboard mouse combo, hook it up to your HDMI port, and go ham.
Some TVs even let you turn them on directly to a specific HDMI port for a bonus fun time of never having to see the TVs menu.
Find out the streaming service limits the quality then stop paying for it and pirate that shit instead.
Not really, the smarts are integrated into the control circuitry. You can’t bypass them and turn them into simple, dumb displays.
Depending on the model, you can block the TV from the internet and leave it on set to one of the inputs and the smarts bits won’t bother you again. Other ones are more intrusive and pushy about it.
did this happen recently? i got mine in 2019 its enormous and all it does it turn on and lets me play xbox
2018 is about when it started but it was a very small number of tvs. By 2020 it was a common thing but it was a dedicated line of tvs from each brand. By 2024 it was all cheaper tvs basically. And now it’s basically every TV and even some monitors.
The non smart TVs are almost as hard to find now as finding a smart one was in 2018. And monitors are starting to have smart features and ads even among the highest end offerings. But unlike tvs they arnt any cheaper for it. Its stupid.
TV?No, it’s just a big display
TVs were always cheap compared to cost to make the things - it’s not just the “oh, they have advertising now” thing.
Source: I worked in electronics retail in the late 80s/early 90s, and in one of the world’s largest consumer electronics firms when my career proper started.
The TVs in the window of the local electronics chain store (or in Walmart) were sold at practically zero margin, or more often than not at a loss. The retail chains would basically hold a gun to the CE companies heads and tell them if you’re not willing to sell at a loss, nothing you make is going in the window display, or worst case we’re not selling you at all.
The retail chains didn’t care because all their profit was in selling accessories and unnecessary extended warranties. The CE companies hoped that they could make it up by selling you the more expensive model they actually made a profit on once you were in the door, or by selling you a VCR or whatever as well.
This is why the TV companies were always looking for a “next big thing” (flat-screen, ultraflat, widescreen, HD, 3D, 4k, 8k…) to differentiate the “next model up”, which is to say the model the store would actually allow them to make a profit on.
This particular race-to-the-bottom mutually assured destruction business model is also the reason there is practically no consumer electronics manufacturing left in the West, of course. And why manufacturers grasp at stuff like advertising.
Shame, I particularly miss Panasonic and Sony
They’re single use and throwaway, with the bonus of spyware. Like everything made today. Everything.
Gas is cheaper than milk, Thats kinda fucked considering gasoline is finite
you think cows are infinite?
Yes it’s called breeding. You can’t breed more gasoline
Jurassic Park says otherwise 😉
Actually, Bloomberg Finance recently warned about how the cattle replacement level is precariously low in the US. It takes a minimum of a one-year forecast to gauge how many dairy cows will be born to reach milk production status, and apparently farmers are having a difficult time with all the debt and limited resources hampering them. Because of the US’s red meat addiction, we are currently at best only at minimum replacement, which is really concerning until the nation reduces some of its cattle consumption; otherwise, beef prices will continue to rise…
Well we’re talking about maintaining cows for food at a sustainable level, the US is stupid in all aspects and should not be considered. The rest of the world isnt greedy and fat like Americans.
As far as I’m concerned the US is an isolated dictatorship like NK so their numbers are al over the place depending on who is dear leader
this is one example the sort of nuance was hinting at. cheers
it takes limited resources to breed the living beings youre talking about
Food and grass are also growable
so youre just going to act like you dont understand at all huh
So wait tire saying they aren’t? Or are you still insisting petroleum is renewable? Milk is renewable, gas is finite, so gas should not be cheaper than milk. Thats a pretty easy point
And I think you shouldn’t be driving a giant gas guzzling SUV or truck.
I filled up a family members Rav4 the other day. It was $96.
Not exactly the best car, but hardly a gas guzzler. Or maybe it is, idk. I normally drive electric.
My CRV takes 10 gallon when it’s on empty. and gets 32 mpg. Just saying.
we’ve been going backwards on fuel efficiency. the little compact i had back in the early 90s got over 40mpg.
Because we discovered that running the engine lean and hot for maximum efficiency creates NOx and we don’t like acid rain.
I think the gas was in the 6.50 range? Idk.
The display say 17.624 gallons. That is a full size SUV or truck.
Not necessarily. My 4-door sedan holds 18 gallons. It’s 12 years old now. Maybe they’re making them smaller now.
Just saying its less than what I paid for what I would consider to be a “standard”-ish vehicle?
I don’t think a rav4 stands out as an interesting vehicle.
Even my motorcycle is $25 to fill
Yeah I mean at these prices even a lawn mower might cost $10 to fill
I follow a lot of lawn care YouTubers
More than a few commenting about raising prices and canceling contracts of customers not willing to pay enough to cover it
Its not an insignificant difference either, like +$40 on a weekly cut for a quarter acre lot. That’s between a 35-50% price increase depending on the market of the people I’m watching
The trucks to get there being the big portion of that increase not the mowers, but certainly the mower/trimmer/blower opex increased as well
Regardless though anyone not running primary electric rigs are definitely hurting right now
Those who invested into it early, and especially those who got State and Govt incentives, before the current administration shut them down have a massive opportunity to cash in over at least the next ~2 years while this settles, keeping their prices just below whatever their competitors have to charge until their routes are fully booked while those running gas are forced to raise prices and renegociate contracts to maintain profits
+$40 on a weekly cut for a quarter acre lot. That’s between a 35-50% price increase depending on the market of the people I’m watching
bruh is deep in the lore…
😂
i took a chance last year and bought a honda ruckus for daily driving. it pays for itself in the gas im saving, i spend abt 10 bucks a month for gas. i hope to upgrade to a real bike at some point but for now i will enjoy the 100mpg perk.
can i ask what you ride, and the mpg?
Honda ruckus hell yeah I love those things! Sv650 and I get 60mpg (edit wrong acronym)
oh i like that, reminds me of the honda hornet! i was wishing i had the budget for one of those lol
Could be a labourer. I didn’t see much point in trucks and such before but now it makes sense for some to have them.
80 bucks to fill up my minivan.
17 gallons is 64 liters, that’s a midsize sedan tank.
Yeah you should not drive a tank either. Even if it is midsize.
some people have a buttload of kids to haul around. generalizing this topic isnt helpful
I was refering at a tank as in “Main battle tank”.
That being said, I have 2 kids and my car is (I just checked) 3.81 meters long. I’m not even sure cars of that size are still being sold in north America. What I’m sure of is that finding a convenient one of this size is becoming complicated in Europe, so my next one will probably be a tad bigger.
Still, I don’t understand what so called trucks or SUV are for.
TV is cheap because you are the product. CEOs want you to see their ads, their propaganda.
Gas is expensive because they have not yet found a way to stop car-owner from leaving the sofa in front of TV
But they do have ads at the pumps
Tvs are cheap because manufacturing costs came down. They were cheap before they were smart
Both are true. Manufacturing costs went down significantly, but non-smart TVs are now more expensive than equivalent smart TVs by over $100 from what I have seen.
TVs harvest user data which is monetized as well
Can you even get non smart TVs?
Car companies could learn a lot from the printer industry.
If production of cars and oil were the same companies, cars would be as cheap as TVs and gas for them would be 10x current price.
Yeah gas should be a lot more expensive.
Gas would be more expensive if it wasn’t subsidized.
Visit Japan or the EU and their fuels prices make the USA cheap. It is odd in the USA, most people are concerned about fuel prices, but healthcare costs are far worse.
Tell me about it. Why is cost of gas what we focus on
Because you pay for gas every couple days with your credit card, while you pay for healthcare rarely
Idk if I’m winning or losing as someone that pays for healthcare way more often then gas…
…DAYS?!
i drive to work every day and i refuel like every other month.
#autoorientedinfrastructure
A large portion of US adults don’t understand the difference between simple and compound interest.
Many are living with less than 1 month salary as savings.
This results in a largr portion with neither the mental space nor capability (or both) to worry about 6 months down the line when they have to worry for 6 days down the line
The tv should have always cost more. That’s part of the problem. America drunk on cheap consumer goods.
I disagree. America has heavy subsidies on gas prices.
I can’t believe how cheap TVs are. I think I bought a 22” CRT 25 years ago and it was easily over $200.
E: a CPI check says a $220 monitor in 2000 is $435 today.
They’re cheap because they use extensive tracking to make up the rest of their money
Compare any tv to a monitor of the same size and feature set
Yeah, they’re selling you an ad platform. It won’t be long before they start leaving off the HDMI ports.
Gas is a cheat code to decades of stored solar energy. It won’t be cheap for ever. Once you mine up all that shit it’s gone.
Look at WV and their coal. Use to have 12 ft coal seams. Now all that’s left are hard to reach low quality 1-2ft seams. At some point it’s not even worth the energy to extract.
There are people who believe the earth regenerates and creates more petroleum… In essence it will never run out
There’s probably a step g correlation to flat earthers
It will! Just not within human life spans that’s my answer usually. Alot of their thoughts are grounded in something real. Its easier then telling them they are flat out wrong usually.
Unless it’s the flat earthers
It probably won’t to my understanding. Most fossil fuels are from large organic material deposits (usually from plants) underwater or in low oxygen environments where they aren’t disturbed/don’t decompose. Basically the conditions for fossil fuels to be remade don’t exist anymore so we really aren’t getting any more
There’s definitely location on earth where they will get generate again. Plus climate change only really means the extinction of all human life as we know it. Everything else will carry on, it’s not the first large level extinction event.
The conditions that created it are likely to arise again. Most oil deposits are actually from innumerable numbers of planktonic life that built up on the ocean floor. Coal is from plant matter though.
Point is its generally easier to redirect then reprogram people, with enough nudges they’ll start to see they are being lied to, or at least will know not to bother you with that specific subject anymore
High fuel prices is a good thing and a 32" TV shouldn’t be that cheap.
It is when you offshore all your jobs and import from slave labor countries, all while using a currency that is able to be printed from thin air effectively taxing the world because it’s a reserve currency.
Lol you can see where the “I did that” sticker used to be…
Wonder if it was an old Biden version or a new Trump version.
Why not?
Oil is a product manufactured by millions of years of stratified organic stuffs and high pressures, it is a concentrate of energy.
TV is not as useful.
