I’m proud to be incompatible with Apple
Skill issue. I have LocalSend on all my devices.
Skill my foot. If any of my technology is compatible with Apple tech, I’ll intentionally break it until it isn’t.
So you complain about the walled garden but the wall is actually a moat you dug yourself?
At this point I’m just amazed.
Reportedly Quickshare is now compatible with airdrop. I’m 0 for 1 right now. Could have been a skill issue. I was using hotspot at the time, which apparently interferes.
I believe it only works for a small subset of Pixel devices. At least for now.
works for Samsung Galaxy devices too
Read the original post again
TBH, IDK what you mean.
OP is not working with their device. They only have a USB stick
The comment I’m replying to isn’t talking about USB, it’s clearly implying interoperability limitations, like AirDrop
I’m with you. People like this are why nobody likes Linux users.
What’s rather ironic is my Linux FOSS setup is more compatible than ever because it can open my students .notes and .pages files, while MS Word couldn’t.
And naturally, I’m proud of using FOSS so I guess I’m proud to be compatible with everything.
What are you using for .pages? I have .docx covered but have a backlog I planned to convert someday.
I’ve been using OnlyOffice, although I bet LibreOffice can open them too. That doesn’t convert files unless I save, but it doesn’t seem to me up the formatting either. I used to have to bulk convert using a Google drive plugin, which could help for bulk conversation but isn’t a FOSS solution.
My Mac studio m2 was the only computer I ever had that had compatibility issues with some USB cables
People talk about Apple hardware like it’s incredible, but honestly, no pc manufacturer would make that mistake
Butterfly keyboards. so saying apple is the pinnacle of hardware is stupid. They make dumb decisions just like everyone else.
Apple does honestly make good hardware. Their transition to ARM had a near zero chance of being successful but Apple managed to pull it off anyway. It’s truly impressive.
But when they fuck up, boy do they go big. The butterfly keyboards were absolutely insane. And don’t get me started on the last years software releases. I can’t practically multitask on my iPad anymore, screen space is wasted on the MacBook in Tahoe and the finder is worse than it’s ever been. Competition is supposed to save us but Microsoft is so smitten with AI they still can’t even get their start menu to work reliably. Meanwhile linux is gaining faster than anyone thought possible. Valve is doing to gaming on Linux what Ubuntu did to teaching neurotypicals how to use Linux.
Western tech gave up.
Windows was mostly the same with ARM too for most people honestly.
In our industry, lots of people got ARM surface laptops (and didn’t even know it was an ARM CPU, except that the software we used had an old version of OpenVPN, which caused a specific issue unless they manually installed as it was a kernel module). The reason the ARM changeover might have seemed seamless, is that developers were likely given priority access to hardware (as what happened with PPC -> Intel)… On Windows there was special hardware for it, and I suspect there was a Arm development kit on MacOS too probably.
People also seem to compare Apple hardware against PC hardware which costs 1/2 the price too. I owned a Power MAC, Mac Pro and Mac Studio. The Mac Pro ram alone cost more than a FASTER PC as the first gen used Fully Buffered ECC RAM.
Developers can optimise for Apple based on whats available though . The other big advantage Apple has is that they mostly control the service process, and, you can’t bite the hand that feeds if you are one, which controls bad press too.
And when they use another architecture, nobody seems to cross compare gaming performance as much, etc, as the biggest MAC sites also tend to be apple “exclusive” sites, and I’m willing to bet the people that operate them are shareholders… Apple have always been behind in graphics performance (and, still are. The M1’s and M2’s didn’t even have hardware raytracing as an example, whilst even the Intel Iris chips did).
However, by the way people talk about Apple, you’d think the M series CPU’s were absolutely smashing PC performance and they were even expecting the M5 chips to compete with the GTX 4080’s a few months ago.
compatibility issues with some USB cables
I’d like to hear more about this. I have a theory that as great as USB-C is for consistency, the fact that it shares a connector with Thunderbolt (to say nothing about the different versions of Thunderbolt) introduces a level of uncertainly when looking at a USB-C connector.
- it can be a “charge-only” cable (USB 2.0)
- it can charge slowly, or quickly
- it can be a USB-C cable
- it can be Thunderbolt 3 / USB 4.0
- it can be active, or passive
- it can be Thunderbolt 4
- it can be Thunderbolt 5
I’m certainly not trying to discount your experience. I’m sure you ran into significant problems. But in general I continue to believe that the general public may not have the right “flavor” of USB-C cable to do what they are trying to do in a given situation.
It’s nothing to do with the standard I believe
The same cables and adapters all worked when I used them on my nuc for the same devices, and they wouldn’t even work with my mouse on the Mac studio.
My suspicion is that the shell of the case is a bit thick (as the port is recessed behind it), so some cables just failed to touch fully. As, some cables felt more snug and clicked into the port better
For the cost of the computer, it damned sure shouldn’t have that issue
Even worse, for the price of the computer, the power button should be on front, not buried on the back. That’s overcomplicating things for the sake of doing so
Reminds me of the original iPhone and the 3.5mm audio jack that was too “deep” for normal headphones.
It’s rather Apple who is incompatible with the rest of the world. Any other bluetooth device can transfer files with other bluetooth devices.
Why?
apple is still better than google tbh
i use grapheneOS but its just the truth
I dunno, isn’t it kinda pointless to compare a stroke with brain cancer? Sure, you can have preferences, but they’re both horrible.
yes, very true, and well put
Google automatically screens and blocks spam calls. That alone is enough for me to put it above Apple.
“yes all of my personal data is being used by an evil wizard plotting world domination but he has some convenient spells that the bog witch simply does not offer”
iOS does this too
pure copium
why would it be copium when i dont even use apple bruh
If I’m in a situation where it’s Apple or failure, I will gladly fail.
They have a lot of nerve using a USB standard that’s only 12 years old
USB-A is the common standard. Most devices are made with USB-A compatibility. Most portable media are USB-A.
I’m not even going after the vast majority of my hard stops when I pick technology, like the fact that there’s no proper (S)VGA and no full-size DisplayPort (and I mean proper DisplayPort, not an “HDMI” plug into a DisplayPort interface), or the lack of a hardware switch to fully disable power to all onboard radio and modem devices.
So mad that my modern laptop doesn’t have a DIMM port, how am I supposed to use my 1992 era keyboard?
You mean DIN, not DIMM. DIMM is RAM. DIN is PS/2 and others. As far as how I use my old boards and trackballs, PS/2 to USB-A 1.0.
USB-A is the common standard. Most devices are made with USB-A compatibility. Most portable media are USB-A.
Well, per spec the client devices are supposed to have B ports (e.g. printers, scanners, external hard drives, etc. are all B), thumb stick are outliers in that they use A.
Well they used to at least, all the ones I’ve seen recently are A/C. A is legacy at this point.
They had female B ports and you usually connected them to the PC with a male B to male A cable.
Thumbstics forego the cable for easo of carrying so they provide what the cable would, USB A male for the host.
Hey remember that tried and true universal plug-in that literally works on everything and everybody loves? Lets not have that anymore.
Where did we go wrong? We might never know … but it for sure isn’t because of cult-like loyalty to a single company notorious for doing this. It’s a mystery
plug-in?
Man, you are the superior one, because you are still using a real Computer
If somebody requests that I drop air, I will push a fart. Hope your bougie toy can read that.
Remember folks, apple onyl has usb c because they were forced to
They were forced to have one, they were not forced to remove everything else.
That is solely on them.
Malicious compliance
fuck apple but you’re kinda mistaken here, if you’re talking about just iphone, maybe you’re right - but they had usb c (actually thunderbolt) on macbook and ipad before any legal rulings, macbooks before there was even any hint of legislation iirc.
usb c (actually thunderbolt)
aren’t these different tech stacks and connectors?
used to be, not anymore though, thunderbolt uses the same ports as USB C and is compatible with USB C, you can think of thunderbolt as enhanced USB C
is it thunderbolt emulated through software on the USB pin stack? or is it really thunderbolt pins offering a USB connector, emulating USB protocols on the thunderbolt stack?
i’m sorry, i don’t know the details of how it’s implemented exactly
No. Some pins in USB can be used for non-USB protocols. If your monitor takes USB-C, likely the video signal is transmitted using DisplayPort on those pins.
Ditto thunderbolt.
Macbooks have had Thunderbolt 3 (the protocol) over USB-C (the physical form factor) since about 2015. The Thunderbolt 3 protocol became incorporated into the USB 4 standard in 2019 (and is implemented on the physical USB-C port).
Earlier versions of Thunderbolt were proprietary standards jointly controlled by Apple and Intel, but implemented over Mini-DisplayPort connectors. They were phased out in new devices starting in around 2015.
They may be talking about micro usb 3.0 that was basically usb-c before the physical plug was developed. It was a micro usb with a really stupid additional plug bonded to it to make it high power and I think gave extra data lanes. Lighting plug was probably apples counter to that ungodly sin upto the tech universe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Connector_USB_3_IMGP6033_wp.jpg
yeah i have an external ssd that uses that weird clamshell connector, you can actually just plug in a regular micro B and it works with usb 2.0 speeds
lightning was basically a better version of the micro-b connector, it debuted with the iPhone 5 in 2012, it had a few advantages over micro-B including a reversible connector. back when it came out apple users complained because all the accessories used the old 30-pin connector so they weren’t compatible, so apple pledged to not change the iPhone connector again for a long time, iirc 10 years? i think that’s why iPhones were still using lightning until 2023 despite having usb C on the macbook since 2016
In apple’s defense, they wanted a reversible high speed connector, but the USB committee in their infinite wisdom was like “what if we added a tumor to the micro USB instead?”
They only have USB-C on iPhones because they were forced to.
They went to USB-C only on their computers on their own.
Fake. Huawei users aren’t real
They are, and they browse lemmy.ml
wrong, apple ones arent the real ones
Apple doesn’t have users, it has cultists.
lol what happened to emailing the presentation or sharing it on a cloud drive like Google
This is why you get a adapter stick that has C to micro, C to A, C to Thunder, and a card reader.
I do have a 2-ended USB drive with A and C and it’s glorious.
A double ended dongle, you could say?
Perfect for Pride month
C to Thunder? aren’t they the same connector? unless you’re talking about lightning
Sure, the closest I get to Apple products is that my partner uses them for work. I haven’t had one since iPhone 4.
Thunder and lightening, very very frightening.
kachow
I just have USB-C to USB-A adapter, for this kind of problems, and the reverse adapter as well.
I have an email account for this kind of problems
This is how an entire generation escaped having to carry floppy disks to school
You can also just get flash drives that are usb c. Even though I’m not a Mac guy, I thinks it’s been over 10 years since I’ve owned a computer (Inc phone) that doesn’t have usb c
Look at Mr. Two Dongles over here.
It’s good for phones as well
I guess we forgot how to email…
Just get a usbC flash drive. USB C is actually pretty good and you can easily get one that has both a and c.
I just dislike how easy to bend and break it looks.
Its studier then a I find weirdly enough.
Don’t buy cheap USB-C stuff?
Imagine being so insecure
Macs are actually pretty secure. Especially with their TPM stuff. It’s the everything else that sucks about them
Emotionally insecure.
But yes. My wife was an Apple girl for a long time. She just bought herself a used Pixel 9Pro XL (identical to mine) to use with Graphene OS, and gave me the green light to wipe her Macbook for Linux.
Yes that’s the joke
They make A to C adapters.
They make A AND C flash drives:
I have one on my keyring.
I have another that also takes SD cards, so it makes it super simple to file transfer between all my things
Yeah, they come in very handy.
You can even transfer files from a desktop to a phone with these.
And if one port breaks, the other still functions.
Because after, what, …40? years of internet, the most convenient way to move a large file between two computers on the same network is, usually, to put it on a physical drive and move it. That, or upload it to cloud storage, then have the other person download it.
It’s unfathomable to me that we still don’t have a universally accepted and implemented protocol/utility for “send this file over wifi to this other machine on the same network”. I’m aware that there are plenty of ways to do this, but the fact that it’s typically easier to upload a 10 GB file to cloud storage for the person next to you to download it (or move it via a flash drive) is easier than just sending it directly. It boggles my mind that sending files over the local network isn’t some extremely simple cross-platform feature that any machine can access through a utility as accessible as connecting to the wifi-network.
Just to reiterate: I’m very aware that this is easily possible for anyone with a little tech-backround. My point is that it isn’t the go-to method for most people, and I just can’t understand why…
There are security concerns with bending a device over and spreading it wide open to wireless signal.
The wired ethernet methods do exist but are locked down to trigger vendor lock in and make bank for hp/lexmark/etc in support contracts
There are security concerns with bending a device over and spreading it wide open to wireless signal.
I think my confusion / bafflement is built a bit on the fact that we’re able to do this with the internet. I’m constantly receiving massive amounts of data over wireless signal from all around the globe, and it’s generally regarded as safe to do so. How hard could it be to set up pretty much the exact same thing with a standardised interface / protocol over local wifi?
I think the main reason is priorities.
USB is standardised. File structures are also standardized (if you ignore different storage formats like ntfs, FAT32, etc). Everything that USB drives have to deal with is solved and standardized.
Meanwhile, network specs are continually changing due to security concerns. If you have 2 devices connected, you need to have a secure way for those 2 devices to verify that they’re the correct devices. That’s not as big of a concern for USB drives, because if a bad actor has physical access to a computer you generally have bigger problems to deal with.
Plus, hardware vendors like murkying the waters by pushing for their internal implementations when possible, preventing standardization across the entire industry
I absolutely see the security side of it, but I would assume that could be solved quite easily by having some kind of “on/off” switch combined with only allowing manually verified connections.
I mean, we basically have this for bluetooth, where I can connect to pretty much any bluetooth device, and just confirm or deny the connection request. It surprises me that some similar protocol hasn’t been invented for wifi, where I could see other machines on the network (like you can see nearby bluetooth devices), and send a connection request that the owner of that device can accept or deny. Any machine connected to the internet is already “wide open” in the sense that it’s constantly receiving loads of wireless data from all across the globe. We’ve been able to standardise that in a “safe enough” way, I don’t see how doing the same thing over a local network could be any more difficult.
And every Mac user I know carries one without a hint of irony.
I’m honestly kinda shocked we’ve not managed to bridge the airdrop gap.
Quickshare is hit or miss
Wetransfer wasn’t bad but didn’t like corporate networks.
Dropbox and Bitwarden send are OK, but you have to email/sms links.
We should have blue tooth beacons and 900mhz Halow by now.
I use LocalSend. It apparently works on Macs too but I’ve never tried that. Windows/Linux seems to work fine though!
I use LocalSend ALL THE TIME between my Linux machines and my iOS devices. It’s faster than AirDrop.
That makes sense. AirDrop rapidly switches the wifi radio between the network the device is connected to and the adhoc network of the sending device. It’s effectively running at half speed with a clever trick.
Airdrops only problem is the proprietary nature of it but it’s a good solution that works very well. In the PC market, they still can’t get Bluetooth right. They never got Miracast right either. Microsoft half-asses everything they try which turns apples cool idea into the only way to do something.
I can say LocalSend from iOS to Fedora works flawlessly.
I just send a link to a public folder in my Nextcloud. You can also add huge files to your email with the Nextcloud plugin in Thunderbird. Still have to send a link but best option for me so far.
Not a bad idea. Nextcloud interface was just so damn slow last time I tried it. 7th gen intel running containers, everything else is fine, nextcound was taking 10 seconds to finish loading a page :(
IDK I just rent server space for 5$/m for 1tb and it’s super fast.
Wow, where are you getting $5/m with 1TB that’s fast?
Hetzner storage share. Librecloud is also good.
outstanding price, thank you!
I’m not sure what I would send to an apple user that couldn’t be done over text, they don’t exactly tend to be tech literate.
Developers, photographers, project managers, they have their niches.
Getting a flash drive with both a and c on it was a great investment
