If you’re too lazy to switch to Linux like me, Windows 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC is supported until 2032 and free to download and permanently license.
As someone who is lazy, I find running Linux to be less work than fighting with Windows.
There’s no struggle free OS, every OS has operations and processes that will need more detailed investigation, and hence read as “fighting with the operating system”.
No design is intuitive to everyone, all the time, and in all situations. I’m sure Linux is fine, but let’s be real, you know what I mean.
I’m glad that Linux is more intuitive to you than Windows. Good job finding it, and setting it all up 👍
Yeah exactly. I set up Zorin OS for my family who are not tech savvy at all. It was a bit different at first but they said they felt much “calmer” using Linux. Modern Windows feels like trying to read an article online or watch a YouTube video without an ad blocker.
I switched to Kubuntu on my laptop. There’s definitely a learning curve but it’s been a lot easier than in 09 when I last tried Linux.
that’s not really true there’s no struggles normally with an OS like Linux Mint.
Selecting a username and password is within most peoples grasp. Click an icon on the dock and you’re away
The struggle is the apps for most people, where’s Chrome? (when FF is right there on the dock), where’s Photoshop etc etc
Linux you fight a bit when setting it up and then its like clockwork. With windows it’s easy to setup, but then it starts doing weird shit you never asked for and and undoes your changes making more work forever.
Linux isn’t hard to set up anymore
Basic install yes, getting all your favourite apps and network connectivity…well, it’s much better than before, but still a short term pain.
I dunno, maybe I’ve just had good luck when it comes to hardware compatibility, but networking has always just worked for me. Along with audio and pretty much everything else.
Getting the apps you want installed is the same thing you’d have to go through with a fresh Windows install too. And I think Linux package management is way easier once you do the initial install. So I would argue that Linux is actually better in that regard.
No. Network connectivity just works unless you have some really esoteric hardware. I just installed a USB wifi ax 5400, total overkill for my telco router. CachyOS just took it in stride. Most apps, including many Window apps install painlessly. The moment Linux sees an .exe, it launches wine and installs the app.
Right now it’s mostly “just works” most people use office and internet apps anyway.
I had to plug in ethernet to the wifi drivers updated. Map a nas drive with the correct invocation in /etc/fstab. Getting camilladsp to work in multichannel 5.1 setup, getting my fricken nvidia drivers working, getting star citizen to work (still doesn’t), getting roon to work in bottles, adding the right repos even for various software.
Linux has come a long way. It is mostly consumer grade now, but still has some refinement.
What flavor of Linux?
Yeah, it was way less friction than I was expecting. It went smoother than some windows updates do (specifically the ones where they just reset settings to their shitty defaults).
This is part of why I like Mint … it’s like 5 clicks to install
I like Mint. Got two boxes. 1 bazzite, one Debian and one Arch for shitz and giggles.
Mint comes in debian, arch and bazzite?
It comes in Debian … not the others
Uh. No. I have 2 mint boxes. 1 bazzite one debian and one arch… heh.
Mint is wonderful though I am considering switching back to a system with GNOME instead of Cinnamon because the screen reader works better under GNOME.
I am thinking about giving NixOS another shot or at least going with an immutable system, but Mint is a great place to start your Linux journey, and hell, it’s a great place to end your Linux journey if you don’t give a shit about computers and just want the damn thing to work reliably.
I spent about 2 months on mint with cinnamon, switched to cachy with plasma on my main desktop a few weeks ago and honestly it’s been working a lot better. Still have to poke a few things but overall I’ve got everything I’m regularly using going fine now.
Yeah, that’s the thing - I remember installing Slackware 1.0 from floppies back in the day.
These days, I’ve had my enthusiasm for technology crushed out if me, and I just want to get stuff done with as little “computer” in the way as possible
That hasn’t happened for me, but it has shifted from desktop to mobile for me, because, for me, desktop Linux is just about fucking perfect, and I see no need to change it. But, I do very much enjoy playing around with different things like lineage OS, and possibly post-market OS on phones.
I’d say my phone is my primary computing device so it’s what I like to mess with and the laptop is just a system that I need to work whenever I pick it up and therefore it gets Linux installed on it and doesn’t get many changes.
I would say my laptop is more like an appliance similar to my toaster. When I turn on my toaster, I expect it to work. And it’s the same thing with my laptop for the little bit that I need it. And my phone is the device that I mess with, primarily.
Meanwhile, I wouldn’t mess with my phone because I need it for stupid things like banking :-/
Last year I did give Haiku a crack, so I’m not completely out of enthusiasm for OS fiddling … but it’s the exception not the rule
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Do you not have a need to update it?
It literally does this for you.
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I meant that any update can bring issues, it’s not “I installed and it works forever”
I use Bazzite at the moment, and it actually is that. No exaggeration.
And if an update doesn’t work (hasn’t happened to me in the 2 or 3 years I’ve been on Bazzite), ostree means rollbacks are instant and failsafe.
Bazzite also uses topgrade as the backend for its system update utility (just a “ujust” command), and it updates everything including flatpaks and firmware.
So it really is just one click to update everything and it never breaks.
Not my experience.
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As someone who just installed bazzite today and fucked around with Mint a couple months ago this is very much true. Kinda reminds me of bashing Windows 98 into doing what I wanted.
I installed Bazzite, and I had a bit of trouble!
… Because I pulled out the USB halfway through the install! Like the world’s biggest dumbass! Couldn’t boot the computer at all! Oh no!
Then I stared at what I’d done for a while, sighed, rebooted and started again.
And it was easy as piss. Bazzite 10/10 for me.
Might not be a bad idea to start learning on a separate device though, so you’ll be ready when 2032 hits.
(That’s my current setup)
This is my plan. Going to do my first Linux install on my old laptop to learn and then go full Linux once I feel I’ve got a good idea of what I’m doing.
Can’t risk screwing it up as I’m self employed and need everything to work
Most of us (normal people) are on Windows 11 and happy with it. The majority of those that aren’t are holding out due to the hardware requirements. -Shock to conspiracy theorists.
Thank you MicroSlop Bot 8000. Nice comment
I’m on Windows 11 for work and am not happy about it. They took away my 2-level taskbar, among other regressions.
Just dual boot. No need for a separate device.
I’m going to try Steam OS on one of my laptops. See what that’s like.
I suggest that you try Bazzite instead. As of now, SteamOS doesn’t support Nvidia.
Oh I’m poor my laptop has AMD.
AMD is better than NVidia anyway
Bazzite also has a better package management system. SteamOS is meant for gaming almost exclusively, whereas Bazzite is meant for both.
After using Bazzite, I’m convinced that image based distros are the future for end users. Need to install an app? Flatpak. Need to install command line? Homebrew.
It all installs in user space. And Flatpak at least uses an effective sandbox system.
Distros that maintain their own package spaces are duplicating a. lot. of work.
The downside of Flatpak is the disk space usage. But that doesn’t matter as much to me as it used to.
Disk space usage isn’t that bad anyway since there’s some deduplication going on.
I can chime in for Bazzite. It’s imperfect, but I’ve blown up my fair share of aliens and they make playing your games on Linux really easy compared to anything else I’ve used. I can even stream the game from my desktop to a laptop in my bedroom via sunshine/moonlight which Bazzite helps you install as SteamLink doesn’t play nice with Bazzite.
Upvote for Bazzite - the caveat being how much support the distro gets and how long it lives. That said it turned a truly piece of crap all in one hp to something that was fun in about 30 minutes. it’s a good gaming OS but I wouldn’t use it as my daily driver.
11 iot is also available, and is void of nearly everything people hate about 11. it’s good to 2035.
Regular Windows, with Chris Titus’ decrapifier after install will leave you with a pretty streamlined Windows without the bullshit.
massgrave can activate 3 years ESU on regular Enterprise for people who want things IoT LTSC is missing, like WMR. I’ve got Enterprise alongside Bazzite and when the updates run out I’ll either switch to IoT LTSC or nuke Windows altogether.
Same, I’ve got a headset on WMR and it’s basically trash if I have to update to Win 11.
you guys might be interested in this, then:
Oasis is a Windows 11 driver for SteamVR for VR headsets of the Windows Mixed Reality family, such as the HP Reverb, Samsung Odyssey, Lenovo Explorer, or Dell Visor. This driver does not require the Mixed Reality Portal application and is therefore compatible with the latest versions of Windows 11 (24H2 and future).
https://github.com/mbucchia/Oasis-Driver-for-Windows-Mixed-Reality/wiki
Wow! I was figuring someone would make this eventually. I’d still prefer to go to Linux but this might be the easiest option. Thanks.
This is false. The latter is, anyway. I am running 11 IoT LTSC on my main gaming rig and WMR is still supported. The key is, you cannot install a version any newer than 23H2. There are third party tools available that will block Windows from attempting to “upgrade” you to a new feature release which breaks WMR. My Reverb G2 is still working fine.
…For now. WMR support on a fresh install is still reliant on a Windows Store download which Microsoft will probably cease providing at some point if they haven’t already.
You are the champ for pointing people this direction but eventually like Adobe they will close the holes.
i dunno, going linux feels pretty lazy. just watching you all sweat and panic with your workarounds and here i am like …not.
I wonder how many “users rejecting Windows 11” are people who refuse to replace perfectly good hardware just because it doesn’t meet Windows 11’s arbitrary requirements.
Especially now in the NANDpocalypse, like no way I’m upgrading my hardware.
Yeah my 8yr old comp was built to be top of the line at the time and it still rips on non-current AAA games. Any upgrade aside from gpu at this point would mean a new mobo and essentially a wholesale. Fuck that
Listen, if someone broke into your house they could get into your computer and hack it and see your browsing history and gta6 progress because you dont have TPM 2.0. You dont want that, do you?
Veracrypt/LUKS encryption:
It might also be people who want to log in to their computer with a local account, given the problems with letting a US company decide who can use your computer and who can access your files.
that’s probably most the holdouts left. the absolute brutal persistence of ‘upgrade’ offers and win10 doomsday warnings on eligible hardware got most users to do it, even if they didn’t really want to.
*half of it
I have a ten-year-old desktop that still works perfectly, and runs all the games I need. Why on earth would I put an arm and a leg into a new one? Not that I would voluntarily put Copilot 11 on anything I own, either way.
I’m just broke and not going to be upgrading anything anytime soon. Got an i5 and a 1080. Whenever windows 10 support actually ends, I’ll probably then finally go to Linux, but until then, I’m lazy.
Will upgrade from windows 10 to Linux.
I did it last year after postponing it countless times. And I will recommend you do it. I know it feels like a huge step, but it is much easier than you fear and once you have done it it is such a big relief to be completely free of all of Microslops nonsense forever.
Install alongside. Dual boot. Happily play and try Linux without anxiety.
fuck it man, with the state of desktop linux these days, just put your files on a seperate hard drive and go full hog. Even vanilla ass debian is ok as long as you go for Gnome or KDE.
I haven’t figured out an efficient way to run widows programs on Linux. I know wine exists and the vm’s. Maybe it’s cause I didn’t stick with Linux for more than 2 months.
I was super into Ubuntu when it first came out but I got bored of it really quick. Tried it again a couple years ago and it was still hard to navigate.
Honestly most stuff runs fine on wine, if not wine then proton, if not that then bottles/winboat and some messing around. I’m still going through stuff but everything that hasn’t worked at all has been thanks to external issues such as anticheat. I even got zbrush mostly working the other day.
I think it’s time to update your knowledge… Especially regarding Ubuntu. Do yourself a favor and look into other distros.
Also curious what Windows programs. It’s very rare, but on Bazzite if I open an exe, it automatically runs it in wine.
For games, just load the exe through Steam or use a launcher like Faugus with Proton.
i think in the past year they must have made ubuntu changes a lot cuz its now really easy like its almost like a smart phone. even upgrades and updates with an interface now. i could see a techphobe who only ever uses iphones use it with ease.
the only hesitation is there is no tech support for linux. like you cant just walk into best buy and expect the geek squad to fix your problems(they could still look into hardware problems)
that said once you learn linux things come pretty easy with a rollback feature(est month maybe 2 to get familiar with the linux tricks on how to fix stuff yourself)
i still work by a cheat sheet. and thankfully the comminity for linux user help is pretty vast for searches
For those of you who need a longer offramp to Linux like me and maybe haven’t seen this posted before:
https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol
You can activate any copy with support at least through 2028.
Came to say this, I’ll add that its is a completely safe and free option.
Benefits over official methods:
- zero cost (don’t pay MS $10)
- no need to format to install LTSC
- no need for a Microsoft account (keep your privacy if you have local only account)
Its FOSS so the entire script can be downloaded and read before you run it if you feel uncomfortable fetching some random script from the web and running it via terminal, as I did.
if you feel uncomfortable fetching some random script from the web and running it via terminal
If you can run some random script in a terminal, you already know everything you need to in order to use Linux.
My laptop is Linux. My desktop is staying win 10 a while longer because it’s compatible with a couple online games I still play every so often.
I love Linux and use it myself, but not everyone is ready to move.
For them, an extended Windows 10 EOL is a nice bridge to give them some more time to plan a main OS install (backup all their data, test replacement apps, etc) as OP said. It’s not about knowledge or capabilities it’s about options, time and many people waiting until they can afford a new PC build to move to linux.
and many people waiting until they can afford a new PC build to move to linux
???
Why would you need a new PC for that?
Did i say they needed it?
This may surprise you, but to your average person (or even your technical person who is time-poor for whatever reason), moving to a new OS is a frustrating or time consuming process, so they delay the move until they get (or build) a new PC.
Your average person stays on the same OS for the lifetime of the computer.
no need to format to install LTSC
you can modify a text file on an ent/iot installer to allow system and data preserving upgrades on pretty much anything, even ‘home’ or ‘home premium’ editions. i have one here that went 8 pro to 11iot–runs great, and have tested 7hp to 11iot as well. that was the test done before i did the one that ‘mattered’… still using it the test system, too. haven’t bothered to redo it or reload anything else on it yet.
That’s great to hear. I’ve had mixed results with migrating Windows editions in the past, and I believe it’s still an officially unrecommended process due to hiccups that can occur during, and difficulties in diagnosing issues afterwards (can be a bit of a frankenstein as far as libraries WinSXS content, system logs, etc).
normally i’d be against ‘upgrades’, too, especially that different.
but this was a special case and i did have three decades of wading through this shit to pay the rent to work from. a fair bit of reading and a lot of prep ahead of time made the actual upgrade process itself almost completely uneventful. i did find one odd thing after it ran awhile, but it hasn’t resurfaced since.
I booted an old win 10 laptop the other day to see if it still worked. It has a GPU so I thought it might be nice for a few light games while I travel. Immediately started screaming about updates and all the normal windows stuff.
I booted to Bazzite from a flash drive and had it installed in like 20 minutes. Runs like a dream now. It’s amazing to see what that old hardware can do without Windows choking it.
It’s so easy now to run an option that doesn’t suck.
so you could have updated a windows machine in 5 minutes, but you have installed bazzite in 20 mins
Generous to say Bazzite installation takes 20 minutes
Even more generous to say a Windows update takes 5 minutes
Generous to say Bazzite installation takes 20 minutes
I’ve installed Kubuntu on several machines and it usually takes about that long, with updates.
Yes, but then they would still be left with Windows
Eighteen of those minutes were waiting for windows to shut down so they could boot the machine from usb
That is so much bullshit. Any windows update will run you 20+ minutes. My wife had not booted her windows partition for a few months, had to use it because the taxes institution in our country still runs on Excel macros or some shit, and the updates took over an hour and a half and 4 fucking restarts.
Lol 5 minutes. Now you’re just making shit up.
I just set up a brand new windows laptop last night for our run ing club. Refurb straight from Dell. It downloaded updates and installed updates as part of the installation. That was easily 45 minutes. Then it booted up and it had more updates. 2 more reboots and all of those were done. 2.5 hours from unboxing to done (4:27PM to 6:51Pm).
CachyOS install is 15 minutes rounding up and it’s blazing fast.
The 20 minutes was just what the installer took while I worked on other stuff. I guess if you took the time I used to download the .iso and flash the drive then it would be around 30.
I guarantee that I still got that done quicker than even the first round of Windows updates / restarts on that old hardware that hadn’t been booted for 3 years.
I also find that updating bazzite is pretty quick. It’s nothing compared to the Windows bootloop of nonsense. Also that machine doesn’t have TPM so I would have been out of support soon on 10 with no way to go to 11.
It’s still perfectly capable hardware that can run a lot of games. I see no reason to yeet it into the trash or run an insecure / unsupported OS because Microsoft told me to.
Obligatory, here’s your sign to switch to Linux. For people who do nearly everything or everything online it’s a pretty easy switch.
I have absolutely no experience in coding, programming, or anything to do with how Linux works and operates - I was easily able to install CachyOS onto my laptop removing windows completely. Reading comprehension is difficult if one isn’t used to reading wikis, however it’s pretty self explanatory; if a monkey like me can do it, anyone can.
Good shit. Hopefully you backed up anything important before the switch. Generally good to have backups anyway and use the 321 rule to never lose anything. That’s three copies, two different media (hdd & DVD / cloud), and one copy off sight. Although that may be a little excessive for everyone but it will ensure you never lose anything important.
I usually suggest people shop around / distro hop a little. Get a USB, install ventoy, download a few iso’s and try a few different distros on their live boot. There are a lot of different paradigms for a distro, different user interfaces, different kernel compilations, proprietary driver options, audio driver options, package management options and so on.
That said for someone new it is literally just easier to use a more widely used or common distro, usually there’s better wikis and active forums and it’s more likely someone has already had whatever issue you’re having when trying to fix something. I usually suggest Fedora or Linux mint (lmde). Although with flatpaks and immutable OS’s things are getting easier, more copy paste if you will.
I think it’s more that users can’t afford new hardware, even though win11 seems like a step backwards.
There’s also the point that game quality has gone down significantly. If I were to build a new rig which would cost me an arm and a leg, I would still just play games that my current PC can already run anyway. I don’t wanna play the newest CoD-slop or some tech-demo with MTX-shop disguised as a game. The newest games I really enjoyed were Monster Sanctuary (Unity-based monster collector metroidvania-like) and Balatro (no introduction necessary). A toaster can run these.
and Balatro (no introduction necessary)
What’s Balatro?
Slay the Spire but with poker hands instead of medieval-fantasy-combat
Uh oh… Careful, you might lose entire days of your life.
Don’t forget that not everyone uses their Pc for gaming. Most programs really don’t need Windows and since all of the office package can be used through the browser with no real difference in user xp there is no need to upgrade older hardeware that can just stay on Windows 10 or become a Linux system easily.
DMZ 2 is coming though… I haven’t had fun like back when DMZ was playable. Not defending cod in any way other than DMZ is life
Still using Windows 10, but after testing out Linux on the side last year I’ve come to the conclusion it’s ready. Other than anti-cheat being in the shitter once Win 10 is officially dropped for good by games I’m moving over to Arch.
and with steam one can play even non-steam games that are “windows only” by adding non-steam game. Proton works for those too.
not for the ones with the stupider anti cheats
i gave up on R 6 long ago. but basically all other games are playable on linux. i become comfortable living by the moral code of ‘if the game doesnt play on linux it doesnt exist’
yea, though those games are not worth playing anyway. who knows what they do in the background, with root access they can hide it too.
I’ve been playing The Sims 2 that way lol
Some anti-cheat software can be run through Steam e.g. Easy anti-cheat.
I’m aware. Just not the majority of them. Either way doesn’t personally matter to me as I mostly play single player games, to which Proton is incredible with that.
Windows decided to delete all my documents and files 2 weeks ago. Even though I removed them from one drive, windows put them all back in. So when their one drive failed. I lost everything. Like every icon on my desktop too. Thank god i had just backed up a couple weeks before so I didn’t lose much.
I was so pissed though that I immediately installed Linux Mint. Haven’t looked back.
It’s all fun and games until you find that one specific thing you can’t live without that requires Windows lol. Hence why I typically have a low profile Windows 10 LTSC virtual machine set up on my Linux machines.
I’m sure I’ll find something lol. Currently its still on that hard drive. But I pulled it out for now. I was angry and didn’t wanna look at windows anymore but knew I’d probably need it again lol.
Same but Windows 7.
It seems fastest, most stable windows was 2000 but lacked good 64bit support. Much defaulted to 32bit :(
Linux only needs to hit a “small but not insignificant size market” for the large publishers to start supporting it. They won’t support it if they lose money doing so, but if it continues to grow eventually they will lose money by not supporting it.
Steam machine should provide another bump, just like steam deck.
And issue is it needs to be a specific platform.
From a game developer’s perspective (who isn’t a pro linux dev or anything), they can support a platform. They support Windows 10. Or Windows 11. They can support stock Ubuntu. They can support a SteamOS image.
They cannot specifically support your personalized Arch config.
Linux’s fragmentation has always been an issue in this regard, as they can’t legally support thousands of different possible system configurations.
HOWEVER,
I think supporting Proton + SteamOS would be very reasonable for a dev. That is a specific platform, its codebase and infrastructure can stay unified with the Windows version, and support for that would practically mean support in other Linux distros.
And SteamOS by itself is getting big.
Agreed. And truly developers don’t need to actually “support” Linux; mostly they just need to not intentionally block games from working.
Well, it would be massively, massively better if they did some basic validation and tuning in a Proton environment.
Thousands of open-source-dev man-hours patching in hacky workarounds for Windows games not ideal; it’d be far easier for the game dev to fix things (or raise issues) from their end. And those Proton devs have better things they could be doing.
I hope that steamOS causes this, I really hate booting into windows to play battlefield but it’s my only option if i want to play it
Windows11 sucks so bad. I was so excited to learn that Explorer and Notepad were getting tabs & Paint was getting layers. Only to find out that these core features weren’t being updated for users, but in the process of adding slop to the OS. Explorer was the worst, my address bar became an ad. And everything was buggy and broken.
And I know this isn’t just the Linux fanboy line because Microslop themselves had to apologize and walk-back some of the Copilot obnoxiousness.
Still waiting for vertical taskbar support on my work box. They only acknowledged the deficit earlier this year…
Nah, I’m good. Switched to Linux, and there’s no need for me to go back
By 2027 I have transitioned to fedora or another variant of Linux. I am on Linux mint now.
if you’re on LMDE you’re set forever.
Good way to go! And if you’re really technically ept and have no friends, don’t use arch but rather the average systemd-free glibc-free and ofc bloatless distro. That’ll get you occupied for a while.
It’s like XP all over again.
God’s Perfect OS
Install Linux, Problem Solved.
This is for the ESU version, not the regular one. I think this should be mentionned in the title.
There’s never going to be a “Year of the Linux Desktop” where there’s some critical inflection point like a lot of people think. But Microsoft has fucked up here in assuming that consumer trust is a linear relationship and it’s not. They broke the trust, the cracks are there, and users will keep bleeding. They’ll keep a certain percentage of users through apathy or complacency, but the momentum is flowing in reverse now.
What it takes for any one person to cross over is going to look different, whether that’s Linux getting up to speed on a feature they were looking for or Microsoft crossing yet another unacceptable threshold, but despite all my anger and personal grievances aside, I truly believe Microsoft as a company is incapable of correcting this problem.
Their goals are entirely misaligned, they believe they can dictate the market at the consumer and their revenue is dependent on that. They’re bleeding more money and talent through this AI debacle and that’s making them even less capable of facing and addressing the issues. Unfortunately I don’t think they’ll ever fully implode, but just like Chrome eventually ate IE’s market share and now won’t go away, so it will be with Linux.
Bonus points: I’m calling it, I truly do believe that in ~5 years or so Windows will cease to be its own operating system and start shifting towards a Linux distro with a bespoke DE (again, see Chrome/Edge). They don’t want to have to keep maintaining an OS like this and one of the biggest arguments for doing so has been the backwards compatibility, but everything is cloud and SaaS now and they want to push more business customers in that direction anyway. Server will be a thorn in their side for awhile, but consumer facing Windows distro will be the perfect testing ground. Mark it, ~5 years … EEE
Consumers don’t choose OS, manufacturers do.
Depends on the manufacturer and if you purchased in store VS online. Also, every computer purchased online has the full specs and if you know what to look for you won’t be taken advantage of by the nerd that looks like they know about computers but really only talks up the most expensive one.
Yes, depends on the manufacturer
And relevant xkcd - https://xkcd.com/2501/
Yeah but the thing is, unless it has to do with governments and anti trust against corporations or national security interests there’s never going to be a major shift to Linux.
France recently changed to Linux on a majority of their government pc’s in an attempt to remove dependence on Microsoft and the US and to maintain national security.
The fact that I switched is telling. I legit liked Windows up until 11 and only used Linux on laptops. Everything really did just work and the OS stayed out of my way, OneDrive+office for my whole family was $80/year, and every piece of software I wanted to use was built for it. I gave 11 a shot. I stuck with it a long time.
Now my desktop runs all FOSS and the only thing I miss is Excel.
LibreOffice Calc?
Pales in comparison, unfortunately. That’s what I’m using now and it feels on par with Office 2007. If you want a specific example…data validation is a bit of a trainwreck. Unless something has changed recently, there is no way to see which cells have data validation applied
But I should note that I’m an excel “power user” and LibreOffice will fit the bill for 99.5% of people.
have you thought about just going for starting to use databases?
EDIT : like Django + Mariadb feels like something approachable if you are already knee deep in excel power use, which is basically programming. there’s some new things to get the hang of, but once you do, it’s fairly approachable. It has mostly good documentation.
I’ve thought about it but it seems like a lot of trouble for how I use it. I use Excel at work every day so I’m pretty quick making them but I might change my mind if I ever switch jobs
yeah makes sense
