Calling other people’s opinions stupid is rich coming from the country that elected Donald Trump…
Twice…
The Far Right is rising EVERYWHERE. Before criticizing America, they should realize that we’re just the canary in the coalmine, and they should take care of their own countries, because THEY are next. They should be rooting for the Left to take back America, because that’s what they have to do in their own countries, too.
Besides, wishing for America’s demise is stupid. The economies of every country in the world is tied directly or indirectly to the American economy. If America truly collapses, it will bring down the entire world. Like it or not, it’s the TRUTH.
The economies of every country in the world is tied directly or indirectly to the American economy.
And that’s undeniably a bad thing. And since US will never allow anything else as long as they’re perceived as strong, maybe their collapse will be the only path forward.
The same was said about EU and Russia before the war started, “everyone” was saying that EU depends on Russian oil so much, the second Russia stops selling, EU economy will collapse. And when it finally happened, it turned out to be a nothingburger.
It’s possible that this incredible American dependence is also a bunch of empty bolstering.The US economy is directly tied to imperialism and massive exploitation of other nations. And we both know that’s not gonna change under any Democratic leadership.
You can’t just go back to the way things were because it worked for you.
We must form an international popular front that includes dissidents of nations that have fallen to the far right such as the US, Russia, and until recently Hungary.
Our far right wants free health care, free dental, HBTQIA+ rights and higher pensions.
Oh, the Swedish Democrats party? Yeah, they’re cool with gay people existing, but think marriage certification should be allowed to be denied on a case by case basis. They also hate foreigners and trans people.
I’m not endorsing SD, I fucking hate them. I’m just saying that there’s a world of difference between the far right in many European countries, compared to the far right in the USA.
That’s called lying and hiding their true agenda.
Which is exactly what happened in the US. (Pre Trump, obviously)
Also moving the overton window.
It only took a few years for our “alt right” to replace the suits talking conservative economics with demagogues spewing racial purity on national television. Self-radicalization is built into the far right mindset.
Sure they do.
Why the everloving fuck wouldn’t they? Sweden’s far right is wayyyyy left of the DNC.
For now. They’ll say anything to get elected, then they’ll enact their bullshit plans.
They say they do (except the LGBTQ+ part, I don’t really see that) , but they actually don’t. They make wild promises (with no plans), only to then “realise” that it’s harder than they though.
They just say that to make them more palatable and undermine actual left wing parties. The amount of times I’ve heard from far-right voters in my country that the difference between their far right party and the socialist party is really small and that they are “economically pretty left”, is insane.
The suck, I’m just saying the Overton window in much of Europe isn’t really comparable to the discourse in the USA. It would be instant suicide for them to even appear as though they want to limit free health care, abortion or gay rights.
They got rid of a really competent (not praise from me, just an assessment) top politician over her resistance against the right to free abortions. That’s where Sweden’s far right is.
lmao
You should readjust your irony detector.
Somehow I doubt that…
How is the AFD doing lately?
Well, I’m not the one to ask, they’re not in my country. But they are not even close to having 50% of votes, nor have they ever provided a chancellor in Germany
But they are not even close to having 50% of votes
Neither did hitler.
Wow straight to the Godwin huh?
Europeans should be self aware enough to recognize that the most devastating criticism of Trump are direct comparisons to historic European tyrants. And forget about Hitler or Mussolini. Donald Trump at his worst can’t even measure up to Leopold II.
Ah yes. A whataboutism will make everything right. Maybe we should have sent some smarter guys back in 1492
They weren’t sending us their best, that’s for sure.
As a Brit I fucking hate the royal family and their soft power and their wealth, but I’d argue that Trump has more of both and is heading for more than a royal has had in a Western country in living memory.
Man’s not heading for anything but the grave lmao, have you seen him lately? 50/50 odds he dies of natural causes before the midterms, I bet they’ll try to weekend at Bernie’s him for at least a few days.
Very slight difference to note. Leopold II was alive 150 years ago. Trump is alive today.
Also, Leopold II wasn’t elected once. Let alone twice
My preferred comparison is to Napoleon III. It’s not a perfect match, but provides a lot of comparisons: the attack on freedoms, the incompetent political appointees, the unwise foreign wars, the puffed-up overconfidence and the sheer mediocrity…
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Right? Trump’s nothing but a Temu dictator that was actually elected into that position rather than a proper tyrant dictator.
The US can’t even do despotism right.
EU is just on a slower path to fascism.
Slower path? They are waiting to reboot their original fascism.
Nah, it’s a new brand this time
Nah, tbh I was shitting my pants a year ago but most far-right parties have plateaued or reversed in the polls recently. I think we just might have too few morons to turn far-right. Juuuuuust might.
America bravely jumped in front of the bus for you, you are welcome.
The entire political spectrum has moved considerably right, with “Fortress Europe” talk and blatant admissions that human rights aren’t something we should care about.
There is no hard divide between conservatives and the far right.
I would never clap back a Europeans criticizing the USA. It would be impolite, and they’re usually right anyway. I’d love to move to the EU someday too; but it won’t happen because the only thing they hate more than USians are brown Muslims 😔.
Got to honor my South and Central American homies 🫡
That’s nice and all, but you’ll get the same look as someone saying “Latinx” IRL
LOL that’s okay, IRL I’m not usually speaking to a global audience, so I just say American. And I’m weird enough I get funny looks no matter what I say anyway 😆 .
Our Epstein class let in a ton of brown Muslims, it didn’t went well for the local population.
To be fair, right now all EU is not high on any kind of immigration, because of above-mentioned + housing crisis + working condition going down.
The second you speak the local language though, that perception changes 180.
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Please keep your USian death culture to yourself. Get help.
Ya that’s how that works. Don’t talk shit about my homophobic, racist, pedophile billionaire loving shit hole! It’s my God dammed shit hole!
Is that the gold you stole from the natives?
Wait is this aimed at America or Europe?
No. They earned it by mining land stolen from natives.
No. They earned it by forcing slaves to mine the land stolen from their Indigenous people.
I love when Europeans talk about American slavery and colonialism like its not one of Europe’s favorite pastimes too.
Oh it is. Im Canadian and our history is bad too. I just like making fun of Americans.
I get it, it’s easy to make fun of us. i just hate holier than thou european chodes who take things seriously.
To be fair, a lot of the world feels that way about Americans. We certainly do up here. Just look at the 51st state rhetoric. Its obnoxious.
Sorry. Not all of us were able to get our country’s gold from the nazis.
I’ll have you know most of us got our gold long before the nazis came to power.
We had colonies to exploit.
The Nazis plundered Europe to get that gold. Not sure where you’re getting the idea that the Nazis were a European enrichment scheme, other than maybe for Switzerland.
That’s all us euros would expect from a nation comprised of the rest of the world’s rejects.
hey friend, we take the good with the bad. most of us like it that way. some of us have forgotten the dream this country was built on. usually it happens when they get too much money. truth is, it’s always just been the ones with money making sure the rest of us stay divided. 🤷♂️
it’s the ones with money that give a shit about borders and that foment hate between their lessers to make sure we never get it together.
12,000 years of this shit, at least.
Who? Australia?
Oi! You cheeky cunt, we’re not all fuckin drongos down here. Now, hold still while I glass ya.
world’s rejects
Yep, that’s us ;)
counterpoint
Counter-counterpoint
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Americans are unable to grasp the concept of per capita.
ok so i googled that, and tf is Israel doing up there??
Euros are unable to grasp the concept of immigration.
I’d rather be guilty of that than of being the ones who rejected them.
If you really want to piss off Europeans all you gotta do is make the claim that the EU is subsurvient to US foreign policy demands which means they’ll throw away any of their beneficial policies or laws to retain good standing in the US hegemony, no matter how absurd or insane US leadership is.
They didn’t give away Greenland when the Donnie asked. That’s a grudgin’
That’s the funny thing, things are finally changing in that regard! Anti US-led policies and projects to disconnect ourselves from the nasty fingers that have led us astray for far too long :)
Does that mean if we all stop legit criticisms, y’all stop feeling irrationally inferior and become normal?
This comment is so stupid lol wtf
Most criticism is stupid petty bullshit like “ur cheese bad hurr durr” or just spamming the word cheeseburger
Lol what maybe don’t hang out with children idk cheeseburger
learn to take the criticism then
Learn to make real critiques instead of stupid pointless shit then
This thread is like Monty Python’s “Life of Brian”. Half the people here are the People’s Front of Judea and the other half are the Judean People’s Front.
Or better yet, we’re like the Maya Pei Brigade arc from the first few episodes of season two of Star Wars Andor.
Trump, Stephen Miller, Meloni, Orban, Farage, Weidel, Le Pen and the rest love watching us fight each other. It’s one of their most effective tactics.
So many Europeans in here clearly taking the rage bait yet acting like they’re still the high ground is so funny lol
It’s cope, at least in part, to point out that the open advance of fascism in the US is several years ahead of the rest of the Western world, and that this was possible under an absolute dumbfuck embarrassment like Trump. And I get why people need to cope right now.
It’s also not wrong to point out that this was enabled by the US exceptionalist mindset and particular flavor of nationalism that we’ve all been exposed to.
This reads as a diss against all people in the US, but it’s not. I strongly empathize with and am in solidarity with those suffering under it.
If it makes you feel any better, I want you back. Polanski of UK Greens wants out of NATO and into an EU-exclusive military alliance
I want the US to go to rehab and then move back in with us. I’ll even make your favorite dish: string cheese
As an American, that’s basically what I want. I want us to change, reform, and learn to live as a valued member in a community of nations.
Same. They need to do something about the educational system and the propaganda machines being run by billionaires when/if they get a sane government again. Otherwise this shit will just happen again
My new favorite statistic is that more people die in Europe due to heat related deaths than people die of gun violence in the US per year.
Except for the fact that the US and EU count heatwave deaths differently, in the US, its checked if the person actually died because of a heatstroke. In the EU, a lot of other deaths which aren’t heatstrokes but are heat related are counted as heat death.
I’m not comparing heatwave deaths to heatwave deaths though. i’m comparing gun related deaths to heat related deaths. More people die of heat related causes in Europe than gun related causes in the US per year.
My friend, those stats don’t mean what you want them to mean. The narrative you are trying to sell is frankly ridiculous and criminally stupid. And dare I say - American
How do you mean? That heat related deaths do not actually mean heat related deaths? People drowning in an overcrowded pool and kids left in hot cars are heat related. Just like a suicide by firearm is firearm related.
But please, explain to my feeble American mind how heat related doesnt actually mean heat related.
I shouldn’t have to explain it because it’s common sense.
In fact, I’m willing to bet that if we were to change the focus of our comparison from apples and oranges (which is what comparing gun-related deaths in the US to heat-related deaths in European countries comes down to, not to mention the vast differences in data collection approaches across disciplines, countries, etc.) to another pair of equally uncomparable fruit but one that you are not so strongly predisposed to thinkinking a certain way about, you would have the same reaction as I. Chuckle a little bit.
Why, you might ask? For the simple reason that comparing apples to oranges doesn’t make sense unless you’ve been predisposed for it to seem like it makes sense.
And no, this is obviously not a uniquely American issue (I wish it were but it’s definitely universal for all of us chimps). It’s just that this specific comparison, absurd as it is, has a uniquely American flavour because it’s clearly meant to rationalize the exceptially high levels of gun violence in the US.
And yes, “exceptional” is definitely the right word to describe gun violence in the US. You start to appreciate just how exceptional when you compare US numbers to literally any other wealthy nation. Now we’re comparing apples to apples and things start making a lot more sense, don’t you think?
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Why?
I love the flag in the background, is it a fictional one from a timeline where the EU colonized the US? Is it your fetish?
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I’m not your dawg, broski
Has the American brain not developed sarcasm yet?
Just saying something stupid online isn’t sarcasm.
Just in case you’re ignorant and not making a terrible joke that’s the original flag from when it was just the initial 13 colonies
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