There’s enough people and money in the world that everyone could take 6 months off and we’d still maintain 90s levels of productivity.
I’d be fine with that.
Nah dawg.
We’re all going to work until we’re so old that when we retire we don’t get to enjoy what’s left of our lives. Instead we’ll get to experience non-stop health problems, hospital visits, surgeries, daily pill schedules you can’t skip or you die, and general exhaustion.
Literally happening to both my parents exactly like this.
And that’s if you even make it to retirement, which I’ve personally witnessed a few people not do.
It’s a scam y’all. Dipshits floating around on yachts while we die working. Wanna fix it all? Gotta get together, hold hands, and have a general strike until our demands are met. Totally possible, but not going to happen.
The Economy* demands that you sacrifice yourself.
*Really the rich parasites demand it.
I don’t expect to retire.
I’ll probably be found at my desk on a Monday, not even first thing, but like, at 11:45, after dying there sometime Friday afternoon, and people just thought I was “working late” and left for the weekend, while I’m a literal corpse.
Whatever. I’m over it. I won’t have any fucks left to give when that happens because I won’t be alive to give any fucks.
Gotta get together
This is it. This is literally the secret behind which Utopia is sealed. There are so, so many decent, empathetic humans that we could easily banish the narcissist, malevolent dipshits that make earth hell from our society.
Problem: even “good” humans have their flaws baked into their genes and brains, we are far too easily swept up into a a “us vs. them” dynamic. The only way of fixing this is to manually control your emotional behaviour and correct yourself constantly. Don‘t exhaust yourself with that, but try to remember what you really value before becoming a puppet for people with bad interests.
I worry that even if everything was right in my life it still wouldn’t be enough. Passion has become so rare.
Tell me you’re not in Europe without saying you’re not in Europe
I mean continuous 3 month vacation is not a thing, even in Europe
If you work in education it sort of can be.
I get that it’s fun to dunk on us Americans, but do you really have 3 months paid time off from work every year?
No. Minimum by law in Germany is 20 days paid vacation and depending on the employer you get additional days.
Was going to comment the same thing 😅
I’m in Europe and I feel the same way as op.
Our European counterparts are laughing at us, who don’t take a month off every year. And for some reason, this is how I see them doing so.
Eh. In practice, we’re fairly abused as well. I may have more holidays than my US counterparts, but in reality I can only take vacation when the schedule of the company allows it, which is never more than a week at a time at best and like three days in a row realistically.
Depends on a country of course yeah, my home country has a law that forces us to use continuous, uninterrupted, 3 week vacation in a year.
Same here, buts it’s 2 weeks
In my country you get almost 1 month of vacation time with extra days depending on work (I work Saturdays too so I get extra 4 days because of it) of which it’s actually mandatory that you take 2 weeks in one go so you really unplug yourself from work. The rest is as you please.
I am indeed laughing exactly like that
Universal basic income could help us achieve this. There are people working right now to make this a reality in America
There was a time back when this was possible.
Bikers back in the day would work construction or some other hard labor for half the year and then hit the road for 2-4 months.
The partial working income was enough to cover all thier bills, the bike/gear, motel stays and drinking.
the retirement goal is to be a year round camp host for the park system. I’d say national park, but my favorite is a state park and i don’t expect the US national park system to exist in, uh, carry the two, 2065 when I am finally allowed to either die or retire.
People still do this. I have a buddy who only works 3-4 months a year. Hes a pipeline welder so long hours and hard work, but then he travels around the rest of the time
It works for them because their work is high skill and always useful, general office work like mine (dev) is impossible to find a job if you were to immediately quit. It’s quite different when you’re competing against thousands of cheap IT graduates looking to flock to your country and work for pennies on the dollar.
BTW not saying I’m anti immigration, it’s just the way the tech space is right now.
Not American but I’ve heard American companies hire foreigners because they can wage slave them with Visa entrapment, no Visa and you’re deported. People that are trying to improve their life are just taken advantage of.
I haven’t heard of anything like that happening to tradespeople
I think it’s more because pipeline work is inherently unstable so they get paid a lot but it’s for short contracts. Plus it means businesses are more used to transient workers.
Like my buddy can clear $80k in 3 months working 100hr weeks. There’s no IT job in the world that would give you those kinds of hours.
And yeah, American companies sometimes use the visa trap to get workers. But don’t pretend thats a uniquely American phenomenon haha
I kind of do this. I high rig for concerts in the summer, then fuck off the rest of the year.
In controlled environments, maybe — however those controlled environments still interact with currently established economies.
I’m just not convinced that UBI scaled up will actually result in anything other than what takes place in the Expanse.
They stole our data to train AI. So, if in the future that robots displaced the vast majority of jobs, then tax the robots to fund UBI.
I think it’s less the interaction with currently established economies and more that it would never pass without
lobbyistsCongressmen sabotaging the law to make it fail and then using that to say, “See!? UBI doesn’t work(when you set it up to fail)!”I mean, yes — but the reality is that universal basic income dictates that everyone gets the money.
For instance, let’s say Congress allows the perfect UBI bill to be put forth. For whatever Bizarro World reason you can conjure, because we both agree that they would never agree.
What happens next? We’ve already seen what regulatory capture has done to sectors like real estate. Corpos buy up shitloads of land, whether it’s individuals looking to be land barons or alongside corporate interests.
How would true UBI result in anything other than higher prices? Seriously, in the current markets that exist within the United States — how, without some kind of serious societal and economic shift prior to it’s introduction, would this actually play out?
Maybe it’s better in other democracies, I actually can’t really argue for any other nation — I can only apply this concept to what I already know. I just think UBI is a concept that can only exist in a place entirely separate from corporate greed, and that is definitely not the United States.
So you’re saying that UBI would lead to higher costs of living, because companies can charge more because people can spend more.
Then, explain to me, how did it come that in the 1960s, Americans were wealthy? How could they afford so much stuff back then? Corporate greed already existed back then; why didn’t it just eat up the wealth of the citizens?
Lack of safety regulations that allowed people to be slowly poisoned by cheap materials or die in freak accidents, siphoning resources from the rest of the world through soft and hard political power, and not being destroyed from WW2 while Europe was recovering
not being destroyed from WW2 while Europe was recovering
i would argue that it was largely this, plus the states added a ridiculous amount of industrial capacity in WW2. i like to use california as my example. it was a small western state before the war. then they needed 3-5 million more people on the west coast to build warships (and support the people building warships) so california’s population nearly doubled in 20 years (per the US Census 1930: 5,677,251 people; 1940: 6,907,387 people; 1950: 10,586,223 people). I recognize my view is a touch biased because i knew a lot of people at the old submarine shipyard.
a huge victory for keynesian economics. it’s my go to example whenever monetarists start talking like they’re the only school that matters (don’t get me started they both work and have their benefits and drawbacks i was in micro and just like winding up the macro dudes).
Oh, don’t get me wrong — my position has never been that UBI can’t work under the right conditions.
My position is that UBI cannot work without very major changes first. I don’t doubt that UBI can inject a lot of good into an individual’s standard of living — without some kind of regulation associated with it, which requires those regulatory agencies to not be inherently corrupt, UBI seems impossible.
I live in a Scandinavian country. 6 weeks off with pay is alright. Dont really need more at this point.
Fuck that. Take as much time off as you can get.
Yeah thats how you break socialism. Take as much as you need not as much as you can take
Cries in United States
Am Swede. I have a legal 25. Then my company gives me +5, and the Union has negotiated 9 more (ark) and then, this year, my boss gave me 5 more. So I know that I am far above the average in sweden, but I currently sit on 44 paid vacation days a year
Maybe if there were some way to organize and make demands against the employer.
I retired 25 yrs ago and it’s still not enough time to do all the stuff…3 months a year won’t cut it 😁 Gaming alone takes a lot of time lol
I have 7 weeks of paid leave yearly to use as I please, however, my autism makes taking more than two weeks of pause together a struggle. I need my routines, even the work one. I found that taking small breaks of 2-3 days often (save for the 2 weeks I take in summer) works much better for me than taking a long pause. Longer pauses screw with my routines and they are actually worse and more draining than small and frequent pauses.
Of course this is because I have to work, if work weren’t a necessity, I’d be perfectly well without it because I’d create routines to occupy the time I spend working.
Norway is basically shut down for most of July 👌
Hey neighbor! Sweden too, need a few weeks to find that one sunny summer day
Summer is the nicest day in Norway 😄
If no one works summer how will Waffle House stay open
When people say “no one works” they always still want some people to work.
So… become france
Corporate: not a chance in hell. You’re lucky you get annual leave at all, if it wasn’t mandated by law you’d never get that either.
Hot take: tons of office jobs are super reasonable. Small to mid sized companies that don’t do anything particularly exciting, where you can find a position where you play an important role in the company but someone else can take on the work you normally do when needed, or the work you do only needs to be done at certain times of the year. You can talk directly to the owner, or managers have leeway to handle employees schedules without a ton of oversight.
Talk to whoever you need to. Explain how time off is more important to you than pay, and how the company will still do well when you take extended time off. It goes 1 of 3 ways. They agree immediately - win. They want proof that your idea will work - so prove it will work, then win. Or they outright refuse or fire you, in which case you find somewhere else to work and try again until you win.
Yeah idk what jobs you’re talking about…every time I see posts from people complaining (rightfully) about the office environment it’s from big companies.
Small to mid: small company , small salary. And like…tiny progression opportunities lol. I genuinely don’t see how these would be better at all than corpos, bc a lot of small companies try to cram multiple jobs into one too bc they usually can’t afford to hire as many people as they’d like. Rare companies like what you described do exist though, just…v rare
Haha, nah, annual leave isn’t required by law in my country…
Got laid off a couple of weeks ago, been chilling with my 6 and 9 year old niece and nephew, been going to the beach/pool everyday. It’s heaven (need to get a job though).
:Cries in American while being laughed at by Spain and France:
as another user in the comments here put it quite well:
we shouldn’t be laughing at the people in the US just because we’re fucked in the ass with slightly more lube.
