• lightrush@lemmy.caOP
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    11 hours ago

    Preliminary battery testing results:

    During this first discharge session, I’ve installed apps, transferred data, posted all my comments here, etc. All on WiFi.

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      I don’t eat breakfast. Been doing intermittent fasting for as long as I can remember. Surviving on 2 meals a day, one at lunch and a smaller one at early dinner.

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        Would love to do it but my heartburn literally prevents me from doing this. I have to eat or drink something small every few hours or it feels like an alien chestburster is about to fuck me up.

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          If possible, you should get a doctor to treat it. Untreated it could get worse. I improved after a few months of PPIs and avoided surgery. I’d do surgery if PPIs didn’t help. Nissen fundoplication has a very high success rate and it’s durable.

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    I want to like these. I compared the specs though and my note 20 ultra from half a decade ago still blow these out of the water in terms of specs.

    I want a high end repairable phone

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      12 hours ago

      Its like asking for audio jack in iPhone. Never going to happen.

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    15 hours ago

    Was the downgrade to USB-C 2.0 noticeable to you so far? As in, with the slower data transfer speed or lack of Display output?

    It’s the main reason why I ended up going with a Pixel 9 pro instead of Fairphone 6 when getting a new phone a few months ago

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      USB 2 ? no way. My camera backups would take weeks on USB 2 speeds. Probably faster over local network

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      I haven’t used my phone’s USB port for anything but charging for at least over a decade so I hadn’t even checked the port speed before or after buying.

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      Wait wtf. This kills transfer speeds to portable SSDs.

      Lame-ass decision, welp, never considering a fairphone untill they start making better decisions.

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        What is the use-case for fast USB transfer to/from a smart phone?

        Are you using your phone as a computing platform / data transfer device? Just honestly curious why this is a showstopper for you.

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          I use my phone as my main computer.

          In fact, most people don’t really have a desktop/laptop computer anymore, its just their one smartphone

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          I back up my important images to an external SSD because I don’t want to rely on cloud backup, plus I shuffle around quite a few audiobooks, game roms and ebook collections from time to time. Having faster speeds with that does add up.

          I also use Desktop mode quite a lot (my previous phone was a Moto G100 so it had Moto Ready For) and now that a universal Desktop mode is announced for Android 16 I would be quite annoyed if I couldn’t use it just due to hardware limitation. The current Desktop mode preview on GrapheneOS isn’t 100% functional yet either, but at least I know that I will get it working eventually 😄

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        This kills transfer speeds to portable SSDs.

        How many people transfer files from a phone to a portable SSD? Not that many. That’s also probably why the feature was cut in the first place.

        Fun Fact: The FP5 (predecessor) has USB3 but it’s effectively useless for file transfer as the internal storage has USB2 like speeds.

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          And even just regular file transfers. I got used to passing files over KDE Connect because fucking WiFi is faster than the USB 2.0 on my phone.

          Unfortunately, only works with the “Share” or “Send to” rather than file browser which for some reason caps out at 5MB/s.

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    What is their plan to provide long-term support? How long do they say they will support it? I had the FP1 and after a few years there were no more firmware updates from I think Qualcomm. Google eventually stopped supporting the chip for newer android versions, and fairphone didn’t have the resources to do it on their own. Then there was a major security vulnerability. I don’t remember which one, but basically remote code execution was possible just by visiting a website. With no updates for the FP1, it was unusable from then on for everything remotely private.

    The hardware worked fine until the end, but this mess made it unusable. In comparison, my recently bought Pixel 9 gets updates until 2032.

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      Fairphone 6 will get updates until at least 2033

      PS: A ton of questions in the comments here can be resolved by a simple web search…

      Google eventually stopped supporting the chip for newer android versions

      The chip was made by MediaTek and Google just provides Android and usually no firmware support in the first place… So how exactly is this related to Google?

      I don’t remember which one, but basically remote code execution was possible just by visiting a website

      That sounds like a browser issue which is unrelated to the OS.

      The hardware worked fine until the end, but this mess made it unusable.

      Uhm what did you expect from a 1st generation smartphone made in 2013? That the software will always be up-to-date even 10 years later?

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      Good question.

      There was an announcement about QC extending SD 7 and 8 support for up to 8 years but they say it depends on the OEM. Maybe FP is part of that deal. Maybe not.

      Now let’s look at the Pixel’s update support from another angle. The problem I see is that the hardware may not last that long in practice. Specifically due to the lack of parts or the prices for those parts. For example a replacement for my Pixel 8 Pro’s battery is currently CAD $160. That used to be $80 when I had a Pixel 5. The screen repair cost is very high. Over the year-and-a-half I’ve had it, its battery capacity has gone down to 92%. A battery I have almost never fast charged. If this degradation rate continues, it’ll need replacement by year 2-3 of the device life. That’ll be $160-200 for another 2-3 years. Then there’s the parts availability. The Pixel 6a, supported to 2027, has a fire-hazardous battery defect requiring battery replacement. Our extended family has a couple. We checked with the authorized repair shops and it turns out they no longer have those batteries. That’s 3 years into the device’s support lifespan. This means it’s quite plausibe that I won’t be able to replace my Pixel 8 Pro’s battery next year, let alone in the 6th year of its 7-year support lifespan. In other words that long of an update support is only meaningful if it’s supplanted by the necessary availability of parts, and ideally the ability to replace them without specialized tools. I’ve tried replacing a Pixel battery in the past and I broke a screen. I’m sure I can get the hang of it if I had the requisite hot plates, high end suction cups and a few spare devices to practice, but that’s not practical for most users.

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        Unlike FP, Google at least Manages to provide security updates that are not more than 1,5 months old or even more

        And that is for the FP5, since launch day.

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    I gave up waiting for fairphone releasing the newest phone for purchase in the USA so I went with a pixel because I saw a deal for it. I guess the USA market isn’t as important to them.

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    Is the software buggy? I did not like the Fairphone 5 mainly because of how buggy the Google Android version was… I had random reboots and freezes, framerate issues, UI elements that glitched or didn’t fit the screen properly. Hope they were able to fix that by now.

    I too have the Gen 6, but i choose the e/OS version. Great phone so far.

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      I have a FP5 with android and haven’t had any major software issue (so far, over the last 1 to 1.5 years). In fact the only issue I noticed was that the 5G implementation was pretty bad at first, using up way to much battery

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    Can we get a side by side photo of this with your old phone (pixel 8 pro)?

    Want to see how much smaller it is and is it is small hands friendly

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    No questions, but I’m so fucking pissed that Fairphone is on their 6th generation and still doesn’t offer them globally.

    I have to replace my wife’s dying phone, and it kills me that I’ll end up buying some garbage, probably from Google, that will end up as garbage in a few years.

    Please, bring these to Canada! 😭😭😭

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      It is insanely expensive to get network certification and pay for band licenses, and then build an antenna array that can cover it all well. Myriad of frequencies outside of dealing with mafioso policies.

      Cell phones need to be the new landline. Just works. But that takes regulation and design patterns.

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        And towers. You live where I live, very low population density and thick forest make cell phones iffy at best. Many places I go have absolutely no cell service and probably never will. I will be dead before we get access to 5G here.

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          I will be dead before we get access to 5G here.

          I have the opposite problem! 5G is being forced on us here (Ontario, Canada), and my mobile provider just closed of their 3g network, and are making 4g more expensive. I don’t need 5g. I don’t even need 4g, and to have to pay for it just sucks.

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        Opening up their market to another 400 million to multiple billion people would make those expenses worth while, though.

        We need ethical, environmentally conscious, future proof options for smartphones in the Americas. 😫

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      Buddy, I’m in Torontario guy. Bought from Clove UK for 1016 Canadian peso final-final, after DHL blood sacrifice.

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        I don’t want to import, I want to purchase from an authorized local dealer with warranty and parts available in Canada.

        Even clove says that you’ll need to send the phone back to the UK, at your expense, for any warranty related work. That’s not only incredibly time consuming and costly, but it would negate any environmental benefit of owning the phone!

        I can’t imagine how expensive and delayed parts would be, again, missing the point of having a repairable phone.

        The demand for at least North American consumers is there. I wish Fairphone would just do it already.

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          Murena is an official authorized seller of Fairphones, but they come with e/os (you can reinstall the original if you have a computer)

          Edit: Damn its available for the US but not Canada.

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          Got it. Yeah it makes sense for the warranty. I assumed I could get parts in Canada though. I might have jumped the gun on this one. I thought iFixit sells them and they do but I can see their site says “Not sold in Canads” for a few parts I checked just now. Hmm.

          E: It seems that Clove also sells parts. I see some FP4 and 5 parts. No FP6 parts yet.

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      I know Fairphone would probably be quite expensive even for the price it offers if it ever came to my country, but for the update cycle they offer and repairable build (looks at my broken screen of old Nokia), it actually makes sense. I don’t particularly need the highest end specs, I just need a mid ranger phone that’s sufficiently fluid and Fairphone fits the bill.

      In fact, I was more intrigued by their earbuds. IIRC, they are the only one with a replaceable battery. For a set of wireless ones, that is a huge step. I don’t think their sound profile was/is as good as Sony’s or Sennheiser’s but the simple fact that they don’t have to end up as e waste makes them way more value for money in the long run.

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        I know Fairphone would probably be quite expensive even for the price it offers if it ever came to my country, but for the update cycle they offer and repairable build (looks at my broken screen of old Nokia), it actually makes sense.

        This is why I got a Framework laptop, and why I wouldn’t mind getting a Fairphone. I’m tired of planned obsolescence, and the e-waste it needlessly creates.

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      I don’t think they’re handling their current scale well just in Europe, even. VoLTE works on a limited number of carriers even in Europe. e.g. only T-Mobile is recommended by FP in Poland, but it’s just one of the four large telcos. I wouldn’t expand if I was at that point. Plus, they’re busy with making their support less horrible (see post on their forum) for now.

      edit: damn fp6 doesn’t support any Polish carrier, a step down from FP5 https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/9779766652689-How-to-set-up-4G-and-Wi-Fi-Calling

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        That’s disappointing. They’ve been around for over a decade, and still have these “growing pains”?

        Even phones from much smaller, more niche companies (i.e Pinephone) have had global availability and work on global bands.

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          This is just about VoLTE that’s used for higher bandwidth of voice calls (and HD Voice). Calling works normally, it’s just that they don’t have the “HD+” icon in the dialer, so they aren’t high quality voice calls). It doesn’t impact my life very much but it’s one of those things that are missing.

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    Is it noticeably slow?

    I bought the FP4 a year or so ago, and I couldn’t tolerate how slow everything was on it

    Also, does it work with US cell networks?

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      Definitely not noticeably slow. It feels just as fast as my Pixel 8 Pro and it might even feel snappier. I’m sure that CPU-heavy tasks like image editing ops would be slower but the general performance feels great so far.

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      I have fp4 with eOS and love it. Quick, responsive, camera as good or better than any other camera I’ve owned, and great privacy options. And all open source, but you still have access to Google play store via the App Lounge (microG). Battery life is amazing with all the tracker blocking and privacy features - I only charge to 80% each night and still have 20-30% by day’s end. And yes, I’m in US on Mint Mobile (T-Mobile network) - no problems.

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        Having a FP4 myself, I do suspect it’s significantly slower than alternatives at similar prices - not a problem for most uses, only things that would actually stress the CPU, but it could bother some people.