• Alphonsus@lemmy.world
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    I trust everywhere round the globe has it’s own culture and heritage but some places are great with Culture, Cultural Food, Cultural Music, Cultural Dance, cultural History and Mysteries.

    I’m originally from Nigeria 🇳🇬 In Africa and as a citizen of the Giant of Africa, I can bet with my mother land that Africa is the true definition of Culture and Heritage.

    Regardless the ongoing crisis, which is also happening in other places in the world. Africa has been great and will forever be great!!! ✌✌✌

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    The word “zeitgeist” makes more sense to me than the word culture. I know what “zeitgeist” means but the use of the word word culture is applied more generally to the point of being vague or anthropological. I grew up eating lots of McDonald’s so is my culture Scottish, or fast foody?

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      I was watching a Rob Reiner interview today (Rest in Peace 😭) and he paused to think of the best word to complete his thought, and while he paused I thought “zeitgeist” is the perfect word to describe what he’s talking about, and I KNOW that’s the word he was searching for, but he used three other words as a synonym to describe it, and now I see you using the word zeitgeist, and hey, thanks for making me feel a little more complete today.

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    I feel like a lot of people are taking the post too literally (or maybe I’m not). I once knew a girl who posted a photo of her dad watching football on a plane captioned “Persian dads really need their football lol” and it’s like. That’s just a universal dad thing. Lots of dads in every culture do that.

    Some people just do not think about cultures outside their own. Like, at all.

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      I used to think that way in general, and personally I am still a bit like that. It’s just one piece of figuring out how to get my brain & body to cooperate with me.

      But something I have learned, for me at least, is that leaning into things that engage a variety of your senses in a positive way is often a good thing. And even better if it leads to good interactions with other people that matter to you (insert boo-hiss from my introverted recluse AuDHD side).

      I think in the US especially, we often treat food as a necessary evil rather than just a necessity. People don’t have time to waste on preparing healthy food and then eating it with their family. They need to focus on the “important things” like putting in long hours at the office so that they can afford to drive a BMW home instead of some pleb Honda shit. They’ll just grab some fast food or something in a box that will fill stomachs provide some macros to sustain life in the near term, and everything will be just fine.

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        The alternative is thinking food is more important than working toward securing a house that you own, or paying off your student loans, or retraining yourself so you don’t go broke, or any number of other things. Food is cool but it’s just not all that.

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          Nah I don’t think that’s the alternative. It’s not about dedicating your life to it. It’s about allowing yourself some nice experiences to enhance your daily life even though you have very important bills to pay and can’t just buy whatever food you want.

          I didn’t even comment because I’m some kind of cooking or dining enthusiast. It was more about the general attitude (which I very much grew up with) essentially that it is silly and self-indulgent to stop and smell the roses when there’s money to be made or work to be done. Basically the conservative culture where being a good human means being a productive boot-licking worker bee and not getting into all that touchy-feely human stuff.

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      “I like to laugh”

      I mean, I’ve never seen someone have a giggle and then frown and say: “that fucking sucked”

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      In my culture we like to have sex. My culture enjoys producing 2.1 children per woman in prosperous times. In less prosperous times my culture still likes to make babies, but it might be more or less.

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      I trust everywhere round the globe has it’s own culture and heritage but some places are great with Culture, Cultural Food, Cultural Music, Cultural Dance, cultural History and Mysteries.

      I’m originally from Nigeria 🇳🇬 In Africa and as a citizen of the Giant of Africa, I can bet with my mother land that Africa is the true definition of Culture and Heritage.

      Regardless the ongoing crisis, which is also happening in other places in the world. Africa has been great and will forever be great!!! ✌✌✌

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      lol I was gonna make that joke (I am British too)

      I do think it’s overstated about how bad British food is, at least nowadays but at the same time, we’re self-deprecating so lines up.

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      Nah, ask us about savouries and you might hear about pies and curries and chippies - the stuff you’ve heard a million times before. But ask a Brit about their favourite pudding or cake and you might want to book some time off for the reply.

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        Agreed. People think British food is dull because they’ve not seen what British people have as a treat. Cases in point:

        England

        • Roast Dinner with Yorkshire Pudding.
        • Melton Mowbray pies
        • Cornish Pasties.

        Scotland

        • Haggis (yes, I’m citing this, Haggis is actually fucking delicious and versatile).
        • Cullen Skink
        • Shortbread

        Wales

        • Welsh Cakes
        • Bara Brith
        • Glamorgan sausage

        Northern Ireland

        • Fifteens
        • Paris bun
        • Gravy ring

        That’s not even getting into the weird shit like Scottish Fast Food or what we’ve done with immigrant cuisine. Fuck, if you want a tour of Britain, try a fry up in every home nation because other than Sausage and Bacon, there’s a different spin on it in every home nation. People shit on British cuisine because they shit on Working Class food, or food people have when they’ve just come home from work and need something in their stomach. Beans on Toast is what people have for Lunch when they need something quick and filling, Mince and Tatties is what people have when they have mouths to feed. I don’t see Americans having home-fried chicken every day or making Clam bake or something, why would we have full on roast dinners every night?

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          I trust everywhere round the globe has it’s own culture and heritage but some places are great with Culture, Cultural Food, Cultural Music, Cultural Dance, cultural History and Mysteries.

          I’m originally from Nigeria 🇳🇬 In Africa and as a citizen of the Giant of Africa, I can bet with my mother land that Africa is the true definition of Culture and Heritage.

          Regardless the ongoing crisis, which is also happening in other places in the world. Africa has been great and will forever be great!!! ✌✌✌

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          The dishes you listed are not really exciting to me, I’ll be honest. The one type of food English (not sure about other British parts) people can be relatively proud of are deserts. I really appreciate an Eton mess for example.

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        carrot… carrot cake? That’s my quick answer, but I’ll take the day off just to be safe

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          I thought I’d worked out my favourite, and then you spring that shit! (It’s obviously rhubarb and apple crumble though) (or cream teas)

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    I mean, I’ve had German and British food and I can confidently say it doesn’t seem like they love food, lol.

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    People say that about food, music/dancing, and stories because they are the least antagonistic thing they could bring up while boasting about their culture. Its the least likely to get attacked as well, its a non-controversial aspect they can sing the praises of and its something easily shared

    If they bring up their cultural religion, values, politics, philosophy, or social dynamics, suddenly things can become an area of controversy and even ethical debate. Most people are too fragile or cowardly to investigate that stuff.

    • Yeah, like I can tell you about our communist history, or our surrealist poetry. But then you’ll call me an extremist, or even worse, a nerd.

      So I keep those for when I get drunk and overshare, and just talk about fish recipes and desserts.

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      If they bring up their cultural religion, values, politics, philosophy, or social dynamics, suddenly things can become an area of controversy and even ethical debate

      Italians will go three rounds in the ring over which neighborhood has the best ice cream shop. I wouldn’t even say its uncontroversial. But these also tend to be attributes that vary heavily even at relatively short distances in older communities. A certain meal prepared a certain way or a dance/music style that originated in your neighborhood becomes a unique touchstone to your community.

      I might note that this is something “Planned Communities” tend to lose out on. Everyone gets a Chilis. Everyone gets a radio station franchise that plays the same six songs on a loop. Everyone gets an AMC that shows the same ten movies as everywhere else. Everyone gets a Catholic Church and a Methodist Church book-ending the local elementary school.

      Then you leave your provincial cookie-cutter suburb and visit London, a city where the dialect of the language changes by intersection. Or you do a road trip in Italy and find out how every tiny township has this one kind of dish they’re all really proud of. Or you just drop into inner city Houston and get an earful of Chop’n’Screw music played by guys with spinners on the wheels of their lowered Cadalliacs. Then you find some weird old bookshop in Montrose that sells pagan bumper stickers.

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      Or a Presbyterian church service. I gotta give it to the Pentecostals, they might be a cult but at least they know how to party.

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        I trust everywhere round the globe has it’s own culture and heritage but some places are great with Culture, Cultural Food, Cultural Music, Cultural Dance, cultural History and Mysteries.

        I’m originally from Nigeria 🇳🇬 In Africa and as a citizen of the Giant of Africa, I can bet with my mother land that Africa is the true definition of Culture and Heritage.

        Regardless the ongoing crisis, which is also happening in other places in the world. Africa has been great and will forever be great!!! ✌✌✌

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      Or is from England and cannot imagine that a good food culture can mean more than: “I like the taste of some stuff and everyone else in my country consumes food too.”

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        I trust everywhere round the globe has it’s own culture and heritage but some places are great with Culture, Cultural Food, Cultural Music, Cultural Dance, cultural History and Mysteries.

        I’m originally from Nigeria 🇳🇬 In Africa and as a citizen of the Giant of Africa, I can bet with my mother land that Africa is the true definition of Culture and Heritage.

        Regardless the ongoing crisis, which is also happening in other places in the world. Africa has been great and will forever be great!!! ✌✌✌

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    Ok but we legit do hate food here in america for the same reason we hate healthcare, non-automotive travel, art, education and housing. Anything that is some kind of human need that doesn’t fit neatly into commodification has been turned into man-made horrors beyond imagination.

    Take fast food: it was made so you can eat it in the car because as an american your car time is expected to be more important than time for food prep or eating a meal outside your car. In the ever tightening squeeze to drain every american of their last penny we’ve necessarily been separated from our humanity to the point that good food and time dedicated to it is a luxury to be denied to lesser humans.

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      British food is unironically great, and the stereotype is based on experiences during WW2 rationing. It’s made funnier that the people who say it comes from a country where people spray cheese from a can…

      There’s so many good pies, pastries, puddings, roast dinners, breakfasts, etc that are very good. British-Indian food is often excellent. Even a basic dish like macaroni cheese can be lovely if you make it right.

      To be honest unless you include northern France, I’d argue nowhere in northern Europe has better food.

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        I was in London for a couple of days, Ate at a hotel, a couple cafes, two pubs, a chip shop with one hell of a line. I must have missed something; flavors were low-key, under-seasoned, and under-spiced. The closest thing I got to flavor was breakfast; the sausage was decent, I think you fully understand sausage there. The beans and eggs were just kinda meh.

        Then you have places like this catering to local tastes. https://www.oldelpaso.co.uk/products/extra-mild-super-tasty-fajita-kit

        I think things are changing. People are starting to crave a little more spice. There’s no lack of curry shops with plenty of spice, but they’re not strictly British food.

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          Chip shops in London are always shit, I’ll grant you that. It’s rare you get good fish and chips outside of seaside towns.

          As for Brits not liking spice… Lmao. Brits like spice more than anywhere else in Europe, how else would Indian food be so popular there?

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            A good chippy is non-negotiable in a northern town. Dunno why but Londoners can’t even seem to get the basics like skinning and boning the fish, never mind getting the batter crispy and not wet.

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        We don’t all obviously spray cheese from a can, some of us are from or near Wisconsin, the place where Monroe cheese is from, which is to say very well regarded in the international community. Whatever bad things Americans did to cheese is basically either a Republican’s doing or the interests of companies like Kraft or Nabisco who are cheap and want to can a product that lasts without refrigeration. See also, Old English cheese spread.

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        Look I have been to Britain and the best British food I had was Indian. “Indigenous” British food is rarely anything special. It isn’t usually god awful but I’ve never had British food that made me want to eat it again

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          Americans always try to paint British Indian food as not being British, but they’ll happily claim Tex-Mex as American. Same goes for pizzas and such.

          Funny that.

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            I don’t think creole cuisine necessarily belongs to either culture but I generally tend to like them 👍

            Didn’t realize British indian food was particularly different from indian in general tbh

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          Yeah, I’m not taking the “that’s not indigenous food” from an American who im sure will unironically attempt to claim pizza and the hamburger steak as American.

          Sad to hear you don’t like apple pie though. I thought you guys loved that one.

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            I was referring to like, shephards pie when I said indigenous but honestly I have no idea if that’s even the case. Regardless the cuisine of the colonizer is usually mid at best

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              I’ve never had shepherd’s pie, but I can’t imagine mutton in a pie is easy to get wrong. I eat something similar most days for breakfast. Sometimes there’s different seasoning and veggies and some organ meats added in, but it’s never bad, except for the time it was testicles.

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                Yeah I’ve honestly never had it be bad. My partner regularly makes a vegetarian shephard/cottage pie that I find very comforting though it doesn’t exactly conform to british standards of the dish. British food just isn’t interesting or spectacular in the way a lot of many other cuisines are. It is comforting and I can appreciate that but its doesn’t excite me.

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              Tbf, some people just throw mash potato over mince beef they’ve cooked with chopped tomatoes and soggy carrots. I used to think I hated it too, until I made it properly.

              However, I feel thats like deciding how good American food is based on next door’s poor attempt at a dry meatloaf. We have plenty of bad cooks here who panic and make poor food that they take no time over. Maybe more than our fair share.

              Also, we don’t cover up the taste of spoiling, poor quality, food by drowning it in sugar syrup and seasoning powder. That can take some time for palettes to adapt to.

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                Idk why you are making this a competition i don’t even like american food man. Shit’s kinda ass and I don’t eat meat or cheese so most of it is off limits.

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                  Pointing out that I think someone is being a bit unfair and overly generalising isn’t making something a competition.

                  It genuinely does take time for people to adapt. That’s not point scoring.

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    I have met people in Britain who genuinely seem to hate food. They have a plain cheese sandwich, the worst imaginable bread or eat Huel every day.

    That doesn’t necessarily reflect all Britons, but I do think they genuinely care about food less on average than other cultures.