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Couldn’t disagree more.
Prior to fb, there was dedicated forums for the music scene I was in to in my area. Everything was in them. Finding what was on was easy as all the promotors used them.
Then fb came along, the forums slowly faded and finding events became unreliable in fb’s chaotic algorithm bullshit. Now some things are not on it, some are insta only etc.
Fuck META.
Used to be. There was a time when forums and facebook both existed and worked well in their respective niches.
Discord is (unfortunately) filling the gap now. Why have a bbs when you can have a shitty chat platform with shitty search and conversations that are impossible to track?
I’ve never used discord outside of multiplayer online gaming. And not for years now…
It has IRL event promotion on it now?
They have events that can be scheduled with RSVPs. I was in a local meetup that used those to stream the IRL meetings with the virtual crowd.
It’s nice that your area had that. Mine didn’t until Facebook, or at least nothing a somewhat tech savvy 15 year old new about.
Then fb came along, the forums slowly faded and finding events became unreliable in fb’s chaotic algorithm bullshit. Now some things are not on it, some are insta only etc.
It gets worse on the mobile app because there’s much less control and so much slop, versus accessing FB on a browser with a Violentmonkey script applying custom filters getting rid of unwanted suggested pages.
Back when I was booking shows it was great because you could blast a small event and know it was reaching a lot of people. Bands would share it, every band member would reshare it. But then I noticed the growing discrepancy between the amount of people who claimed they’d attend online and who showed up. Like so much on FB, the illusion of being a part of something became more important than actually being a part of something. But yeah, for a brief moment there was a bit of “social” in social media. Then came the yelling.
rofl tell me you do not understand how FB got started without telling me…
That shit’s been a privacy nightmare from the beginning.
Zuck has been selling personal info from basically day 1. He’s been abusing people since day 1.
The day people realize convenience does not equal good is the day humanity grows up from a petulant child to a moronic teenager… Too bad it’s looking more and more like we’ll never make it past, “petulant child”.
It was 2002-ish.
A much younger korazail saw how my friends were leaving highschool, going to different colleges and foresaw they would continue to spread out after that.
He had an idea of building a website to help keep track of friends so we could keep in touch despite physical distance and enable networking; a blend of Facebook and LinkedIn.
I was a CS major and built a forum and database architecture that my local friend group used for a little bit to chat, but we were all still mostly local and it didn’t seem super useful, and while always on Internet was a thing, I didn’t have it and my server needed to be online to use my application.
A few years later, Facebook.
I wonder sometimes how the world would be if I’d promoted my idea, figured out how to host it outside my bedroom, etc. I might have also just been a Myspace or live journal, but maybe I’d have gotten there first…
I don’t think I’d be a megalomanic asshole, but I can’t prove it.
Why now he has a doomsday bunker in Hawaii, and I’m damn sure he also has a squad of PMCs on retainer.
Before Zuck hired Joel Kaplan to specifically cater to right wing interests.
It was kinda nice yeah.
Events was what kept me on the site for far too long after they went bad. Being able to organise events with friends so easily was incredible. I can track the decrease in my social activity along with fb making their system worse and it makes me sad
Ive been around the internet since early dial up days, and while I haven’t used every social platform that appeared, Facebook was the one where I saw everyone was really just posting their projected self, the world is amazing fake lives. I dont think it necessarily started immediately like that, but it quickly became that. Its the first place I saw it anyway.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally. But you merely adopted the dark.
Do not cite the deep magic to me witch, I was there when it was written.
I’m not trapped in here with you. You’re trapped in here with me!
Bazinga!
These pretzels are making me thirsty!
I came here to make this exact quote. Good job bro!
“I have usernames older than you” is actually a pretty sick burn
My Reddit account was 19 years old before I was permabanned by their stupid AI for liking Luigi pics and saying I wish Trump wouldn’t wake up in response to a pic of him napping 😔
Saw it on an episode of MASH.
Henry is dating a 22 year old nurse. Hawkeye tells Henry that Henry has bunions older than his girlfriend.
Not really.
I will invoke the old words
A/S/L
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot slaps CaptPretentious around a bit with a large troutIt’s like I’m back on quakenet!
DiscworldMUD?
head nod
16/F/Cali
I actually was 15/f/ca. I love that it has become an internet inside joke. I spent way too much time in the Yahoo star wars chat rooms back then 😅
I’ve known adventures, seen places you people will never see, I’ve been on university work terminals and back… frontiers! I’ve stood on the back deck of Usenet bound for Mosaic with sweat in my eyes watching Netscape Navigator fight on the shoulder of the internet… I’ve felt wind in my hair, riding Lynx off of monochrome monitors and seen usegroups burn like a match and disappear. I’ve seen it, felt it…!
Like ASCII tears in a digital rain
Time to dial
The true measure of your worth: do you prefer amber, green, or true B&W?
Pretty sure the first C prompt I ever encountered was amber. Will always have a soft spot for it.
We have a winner!
My terminal used to be set up such that local terminal usage was green & black and remote was amber.
So, that was a PC, or a color terminal? Either way, you’re probably a young old fart.
It was a color terminal starting with my upgrade from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS 10 (and Fedora around the same time). If I recall correctly my Claris works terminal was black on white in the 90s when I was in Usenet (alt.rec.scouting, baby (and others))
But I kept it that way because of my history growing up with Apple IIs (and an old interface to airline booking software in the early 2000s as well.
Born in 80.
When my main (only) programming language was TurboBASIC, I was amber all the way. On the other hand, that sweet sweet Apple IIe was green.
These kids have never been slapped around a bit with a large trout and it shows.
Assuming y’all aren’t just fucking around, reading the comments here is actually really cool, tangentially interacting with people who have internet stories from well before I was born
I’m just from the dialup era, and I still feel old online a lot of the time, but then someone here is like “yeah, Berners-Lee invented HTTP just to make a website to mock me”
We are of similar eras. I just missed the days of building phreak boxes and it was always a bit of wonder to me.
While it’s harder these days for a litany of reasons I think it’s still in our collective interest to be bearers of stories, old and new, to the neophytes of the current generation.
I guess what I’m saying is, I am in your camp but to my kid’s generation we are still warlocks
So much of the wonder of computers and networks and just… all of it has been abstracted away
So many people just have phones or tablets as the majority of their computer experience
Get into Lora (meshtastic/core). When I settle into bed I check to see if my solar powered nodes made any friends or if the heltec I keep in the car pinged anything cool.
I did a meetup a few weeks ago and its a cool smattering of younger folks and HAM folks who go wayyyyy back.
People talk about it being useful in an emergency, and sure, but mostly it’s just cool.
I got my first “home computer” in the days of the BBS’s when there was such a thing as a “long distance call”. Internet access was crazy expensive and not for the average geek. Back then it was a bit “underground”. There were professionals and there were passionate hobbyists. Most people didn’t have or need a computer in their lives. Things changed in the late 90’s boom. A cultural shift when suddenly everyone joined in. The geeks were no longer king
When we upgraded from the Atari whatsit box to a 286 it was amazing
I remember getting a Hotshot/286 card which allowed me to upgrade my 8088 to a 286. I don’t even remember what programs I used back then but I’m sure they ran a lot faster after that.
IIRC correctly, the card was normally around $400 but I managed to get one for $150 and I was so proud of my dealmaking.
i just remember we had 2 games: King’s Quest 4: Rosella’s Peril and Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego, but we could only have one installed at a time.
A friend of mine had a Commodore 20 with no tape drive. Not only could we only have one game at a time installed, but also we had to manually type in the code for the game each time.
Friends, hear my story…
In the days of old, the days where 300 baud modems were bought by us, the Early Adopters, there were meetings in dark places where code was exchanged on cassette, to be loaded from our tape drives, to create a new BBS, and you - yes you, dear reader - could be your very own SysOp. A king! Let them fall before you as you interrupted their email to live chat. Behold a world where encryption dare not tread, and you, My SysOp, could read the thoughts of all your subjects! Enter a universe where mom picking up the phone downstairs, only to be greeted with digital screeching, turned your conversations into garbled, alien characters before your eyes!
This is where it began. This is where I began. And thus shall I endure, today, tomorrow, and all tomorrows. The lore is mine and mine alone to carry.
Post on, dear friends. I did all this for you.
pfft. ive cut better lines than yours before.
I was on BBS forums in the '80s.
wasn’t usenet fun?
Well not sure about the other poster but the BBSes I used were ones you had to dial into and you were the only one there. Well unless it was a fancy one that had multiple phone lines. I even ran one for a short bit my junior year of high school on my commodore 128 and a 1200 baud modem. Good times. Then I got to college and learned about usenet and IRC. This was like ‘89.
Still is. Y’arrggghhhh!
woah. i thought alt.tv.simpsons died
Okay, I get this may be off-topic, but “It is okay to bully–”, no, it’s not okay to bully anyone. What is passing by these people’s minds?
Just like what a butthead would say.
Uhh, shut up Beavis.
We NEED a Lemmy community to screenshot the best comments ever
I am one of the few people, it seems, that can not for the life of me remember my ICQ number… but I was there, using it.
Anyone remember Trillian? Having your Yahoo, AIM, ICQ, Messenger, etc all in one program…
I also don’t remember my ICQ number, but I had one. And I remember my first time stepping into a 99 cent only store and their registers used that “uh oh” sound from it. I always felt like nobody else recognized where it was from.
Or pidgin when it was called gaim.
I absolutely remember Trillian. It’s what convinced me to finally make an AIM account to talk with my “mainstream” friends who didn’t have ICQ or IRC, since I wouldn’t actually need to run any new software.
Omg Trillian! I haven’t heard that name in forever. You just unlocked a flood of memories.
And Facebook Messenger and Gmail Chat (or whatever it was called)! There was a glorious period of time where you could talk to pretty much anyone on any service from one chat app.
Still can :)
I remember my ICQ number, 4170129, but I don’t remember why I know it.
Surely I didn’t have to type it in every time I logged in, did I? That would be a really stupid UI.
I remember trillian. You might like this -
It was just last year that re-found my little black book from the late 90’s and 2000’s with all my accounts from back then AIM/ICQ/Yahoo, shit there was even a /. account number sub 100,000 that I couldn’t log into any more
I have usernames older than you
Can’t wait till I can use that did someday.
I have an active email address that is over 30 years old 🤷🏻♂️
By the older gods… I made my current hotmail account in 1996… Yes it hurts when I stand up
ICQ? Listen here, young man.
I grew up in outback Australia, in the before times. My first time online was a 1200-baud modem on a BBC Electron.
We did school over HF radio with School of the Air, had no phone lines, and barely reliable electricity.
Do not speak to me of the deep magics. I was there when they were written.
double biceps flex
farts
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I had to telnet into chat rooms. We had no browsers. I was old before you were born.
Telnet. An elegant tool for a more civilized time.
I see you, graybeard. And I pay respect.
Doesn’t telnet have in-band signaling? I would hardly call that elegant.
Ooh, Australia, I have a question. Was PalTalk a big thing over there? Obviously way after what you described. I remember my father having an old classmate over from Australia and he introduced us to “The Internet”, and how instant messaging was possible a cross borders through PalTalk. Even though I never heard anyone using it in Europe, even years past that encounter.
No, not that I know of. We use to have local / oz only IRC channels, because overseas calls were expensive. So, you would dial into your ISP and then have access to city/state wide IRCs like AusNet. Later that became national. That was circa 94-99.
It was BBS before that.
I remember buying a small black and white TV from a second hand store to watch the 2000 Olympics and chatting to people over mIRC simultaneously.
The TV was sitting right next to a Apple Newton in the store. When I went back to get it, it had already been sold. Ended up buying a palm pilot 1000 instead.
Damn, I’ve been lied to 27 years ago! Thanks for sharing your experiences
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Social media used to be about socializing and communicating. These days its all drivel that has bren productized into a vehicle where streaming addictive brain rot keeps the advertisements flowing and lowers self esteem.
Gen Z may have adopted the internet but it was born of us- AIM, yahoo messenger, ICQ, IRC servers, news groups… all on a dial-up modem. The good old days where there wasnt enough bandwidth for all the ads of today, and the most intrusive ads were a 468x60 pixel banner at the top or bottom of the netscape page
I feel like those platform ideas came initially from people who wanted to build something cool. Something people would use. The ads were a side effect of being part of the tech company.
Now I feel they are built because it’s a way to show ads or harvest data.
Exactly, the priorities have flipped. It used to be that ads were a necessary evil to fund the development and hosting costs for the service you actually care about and want to provide. Now it seems like the service is the necessary evil that’s only there to provide an excuse for the real goal - selling ad space.
I watched the Adam Friedland interview with Clavicular yesterday, and Gen Z is so fucked. I realize not all of them are like that, but that someone like Clavicular has gained any traction is a sign the youth is not alright.
I hadn’t heard of this person so I asked my 15 year old son if he knew about him or if his friends were in his orbit.
“He’s a loser. No.”
I appreciate you for giving me this intense moment of connection with my boy
Haha. You’ve got a good son.
The only place I hear anything about that guy is on lefty podcasts and streams, I tend to avoid most social media so I’m not exactly tapped in to that shit but it kind of feels like the reactive coverage is his biggest boost. I tune in to chapo and hasan and friedland and denims and seder and holy shit I’m so sick of hearing about this irrelevant fucked up kid on all of their shows.
That’s my rotation as well. You are probably right.
What is denims? Everything else I listen to.
She’s a lefty twitch streamer who’s usually on in the mornings, mostly does reacts to current event stuff with some light context discussion, is one of the people Ethan Klein has tried to bully with lawsuits.
Th3Discourse with Majority Report contributor Brandon Sutton is another cozy lefty morning twitch stream, and he usually raids right into the latter when he’s done.
As an early GenZ myself, the only consolation I have is that I still had a pretty un-GenZ childhood and the lack of that rot will likely give me a competitive advantages going forward.
Adam was bugmaxxing hard in that interview
I don’t think many of them actually take Clavicular seriously. Gen Z culture seems to be all about “inside jokes” that everyone knows and self-aware lolcows. It’s annoying, and I’m glad they all had their teens stolen by Covid. They deserve it.
You know, I bet Covid really is to blame for this nonsense. Some developmental delay type thing.
Can i slap you around with a large trout? Or am i too young for that?
If this is a reference to Monty Python being the older generations’ version of this, I agree.
I am a late (2006) gen z, i just learned about the trout thing thanks to bitchat.
Do you actually game in an RV too?
No, that’s a recurring question though.
