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Someone got woken up on Sunday morning 🤣
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If its any consolation wrt Harley riders, the company is losing customers to old age, and attempts to appeal to the younger generation just get the old one (their existing base) mad enough to protest loudly against it, leading to the rep of it being a weekend warrior bike for grandpa to live his never was (as opposed to has been) biker fantasy. Not gonna stop a particular brand of pencil-dicks from making their cars loud and obnoxious, ofc, but still, take w’s where you can.
South Park completely nailed the “removeds” episode. That was one for the ages. Aww c’mon, are we really worse than Reddit when it comes to censorship? Goddammit… Seems the “removeds” won.
South Park completely nailed the “removeds” episode. That was one for the ages. Aww c’mon, are we really worse than Reddit when it comes to censorship? Goddammit… Seems the “removeds” won.
Can you reveal what’s behind the censorship enforced by Lemmy.world without triggering it?
Alternatively I would suggest you look for another instance that isn’t draconian.
I’m assuming he is talking about the biker gang episode, in which case he is probably talking about the F-word (meaning the slur against gay people).
Personally, I think having a filter against slurs is not unreasonableContext is key though. I’d say allow everything and let the downvotes be a filter.
Lemmy is still relatively new, and you grow the audience you nurture.
A lack of moderation means that racists, bigots, general assholes, etc, will find an easier time settling on this platform.
And I’ll be honest, if that would be where Lemmy is headed I’m not sticking around to see it turn into that cesspoolI’m personally quite happy with the level of moderation I’m seeing on lemmy.world. It’s not overly heavy handed, but it seems to generally be applied where it makes sense to apply. Essentially the “don’t be a dick” rules of the forum days of old.
Somewhat.
If the poster themselves removed it, then no - these usually shows up as “deleted” rather than “removed” (but not always). Sometimes apps that don’t properly pay attention to the removal request can still see these, but I know of no effective way to view these routinely, short of spinning up your own instance and archiving not only every post and comment but also all of their edits as well.
For mod removal, you can check the modlog (for your instance here, or the one for Lemmy.World, both of which theoretically should show the same contents, but in practice they don’t for whatever reasons). Note that is the entire modlog for the entire Fediverse, so it requires filtering to find the specific post/comment that you want to know about. The Lemmy devs could help people see the modlog much easier, but they don’t. They don’t seem too big on such democratic efforts, and very often simply ban people outright, from the entire instance including communities they’ve never once visited, if you ever criticize what they say or if you say something that they do not agree with. Though they did recently release a feature to allow mods to do this - further increasing the power of the establishment, while leaving common plebes like us to have to filter the modlog (which also can hide the identity of the mod who removed it).
Ergo, I would not hold my breath waiting for this feature. At least not on Lemmy, but perhaps from the more democratically-managed PieFed or Sublinks or Mbin or such… I could really see that happening for those?
Edit: oh but for text like the “removed”, hell no, that’s also a lost cause - at least, again, on the Lemmy codebase, unless you use an instance that decides not to implement the language filtering.
while I actually loved that south park episode and their point that words (that word specifically) change their meaning over time, the “answer” they came up with is a joke of course. A joke that only works because bikers are upset and confused by the ‘real’ meaning of ‘flag’. If the original meaning didn’t exist it couldn’t be used to hurt the bikers’ feelings, it relies on its existing meaning to hurt them.
You cannot forcibly change what words mean. No matter how hard Trey and Matt wish they were iconoclasts and as much as i appreciate them? They REALLY aren’t as clever as they think they are. What they did, if they had succeeded would just allow CHUDs to yell ‘flag’ at homosexuals and pretend they were calling them bikers, so it’s a good thing it flopped.
As cool as it would be if “bundle of sticks” stopped being a slur, the slur itself is not the problem, the intent is. Intent behind calling bikers ‘flags’ is to make them feel like you’re calling them homosexuals, relies on homosexuality itself being a slur. The end. No debate. Full stop. It doesn’t even change anything, its hurting feelings RELIES on the meaning we currently agree on. Feel me?
According to Wikipedia, that slur is really only used in the US and Canada. If you go to the UK and say it, they will hand you a cigarette.
And that bit of fun was handled by a plot in “arrested development”. MR F!
Totally agree on all counts. As a teen when it originally aired I thought it was funny for the reasons you outlined (Trey and Matt’s intent) but yes in 2024 it just isn’t okay anymore (if it ever was at all) and I bet Trey and Matt agree and wouldn’t make that episode today
Mods are Bikecurious
That also applies to the 1960s British youth subculture
I’ve been thinking of getting a motorcycle, and Harley has no entry level bikes So new riders try a Honda or Kawasaki when young and broke and build brand loyalty to that, I’m sure.
Not surprising Harley is dying. All their stuff is so expensive you never get to figure out if it’s good or if they’re coasting on reputation while quality goes to shit or something.
The only reason really to get a Harley is to… Get a Harley. There are other bikes that are cheaper, more powerful, more comfortable, more reliable, and objectively better in most regards.
yeah but are those other bikes a Harley???
Fucking good. I so hate Harleys.
Hopefully the incel crowd will succeed in branding them as ‘too woke’ or whatever and once the boomers are all dead, that’s it
You’re misunderstanding those numbers. The current older generation is boomers which got their name from the baby boom. People don’t have kids like that anymore so everyone including retail stores will see drops in body count. If anything will kill them off its going to be their pricing. It is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper to go with nearly any other brand.
Had a friend who said he was considering removing the exhaust on his bike because it would sound cooler, everyone else in the friendgroup said we would pour sugar in his gastank if he ever did that
Thank you for your service
Sugar in the gas tank doesn’t do anything. You gotta put in the oil fill cap.
Huh, yeah it seems the sugar in the gastank thing is just a myth, but won’t sugar in the oil have the same issue? Sugar is insoluble so it can’t pass through the oil filter, so it’ll just chill in the filter and oil pan?
It will get in the moving parts, melt, caramelize, and seize the engine that way.
New Rule: if the motorcycle you purchased exceeds noise ordinance levels for a given area, said motorcycle cannot be sold, driven, or registered in that area, nor can it be parked in a public parking spot in that area.
Honestly though, I wish police would simply enforce noise ordinances and anyone with more than one violation would have their bike impounded.
Several traffic cameras in the Netherlands have been upgraded with decibel meters as part of a test. I hope this becomes the norm for all the cameras.
I wish police would simply enforce noise ordinances
I live next to a catholic church/school and sometimes on the weekend or near sunset a local kid rides his motocross bike all around the church yard. Annoying as fuck and it chews up the yard and everything. I’ve called the cops three or four times but they’ve never bothered to send an officer out. I called the church and all they did was install a bunch of super-bright LED lights which are on 24 hours a day. Kid still rides his bike there and now I can’t sit outside at night anymore because of the fucking lights.
Where I live, the police would need the authorization of the church to enforce trespassing on their private property, so if the kid is waiting until there’s no one at the church, he pretty much gets a free ticket until a bunch of hoops are jumped through.
Gather up your neighbors and have them come and strategically park their cars on the church yard, physically blocking the kid’s path. If he can trespass, so can you.
It’s way too big for that, and most of it you could only get to with a bike. That’s pretty much why he goes there.
We basically have this in Japan. People will put their bike back to factory for the inspection and then change it out. They get caught rarely, but not often. loud-assed 暴走族 (bousouzoku) groups love to ride around in the countryside where I live and I can hear them from quite far. I really wish the police would do something about them.
I’m fine with bikes being noisy. Bikes can be hard to see, sometimes I hear them before I see them.
I’m not fine with douchenozzles intentionally revving them up in otherwise quiet subdivisions as the OP describes.
There is no statistical evidence that louder motorcycles are safer.
Huh. I was taught this for years as a rider.
Did some searching and well damn.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a35952569/loud-pipes-do-not-save-lives/
And the people who say “loud pipes save lives” often don’t wear helmets, which statistically are safer. Not all motorcyclists are full of shit, but a hell of a lot of them are.
That’s interesting. Thanks for the info.
It does help me mentally though. Sometimes the lies we tell ourselves help.
I agree with you, and I absolutely don’t wish harm or accidents to anyone on a motorcycle.
A guy in my neighborhood just bought a motorcycle. He doesn’t rev it up or try to be inconsiderate, but just the act of twisting the throttle to drive away at a slow speed violates the city noise ordinance and can be heard for a half mile or more.
This is the classic argument for loud bikes, and it shows a lack of understanding physics and human nature.
Physics, the sound is generated by the exhaust pointing backwards, this means that the sound doesn’t propagate well ahead of the bike, but way better behind the bike.
Human nature, human nature when hearing a loud sound is to find the source, however, by the time a driver has heard the sound the source have often passed, causing a needless distraction. Also, bikes tend to make a very basy sound, this is terrible for humans to hear the direction of.
Finally, if bikers are so concerned about being noticed by other drivers, why don’t they wear high visibility vests and trousers?
Most bikes are not bassy it’s mostly thumpers and harleys that are bassy. Just wait until you get passed by a bunch of squids on sport bikes with parallel twins and I4s, those are much higher, and represent a large percentage of the bikers out there.
Also, I’m grateful that my bike is loud. I don’t rev it to high hell though, but an additional sensory input for the fuckhead texting on the freeway is not a bad thing. A lot of people where I live (Seattle) don’t pay attention on the road and it’s pretty scary on a bike surrounded by them sometimes. Sometimes it is simply not possible to have a decent safety bubble when there’s traffic.
Most bikes are not bassy it’s mostly thumpers and harleys that are bassy.
Fair critisism.
Just wait until you get passed by a bunch of squids on sport bikes with parallel twins and I4s, those are much higher
I know, they attract idiots who refuse to keep the playtime to the track, and endanger everyone else.
an additional sensory input for the fuckhead texting on the freeway is not a bad thing.
The depends on the stimuli, a sudden loud noise as a bike zooms past a distracted driver is a TERRIBLE “sensory input” as you say, it could easily cause the driver to swerve causing a big accident which would not happen if not for the noise triggering it.
You could, and should argue that the distracted driver should not have been driving distractedly, I would however add that the biker should not have driven past at so high speed that they other drivers only notice them once they have passed.
loud pipes save morons not intelligent enough to drive defensively.
the idea that your shitmobile must blast 100db just for the rider’s safety is absolute bullshit sold by harley boomers, they don’t care about painfully loud noises, they’ve already replaced their hearing with tinnitus and want everyone else to enjoy the never ending eEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE too.
sometimes I hear them before I see them.
Maybe you should try looking?
It is very easy to not see a motorcycle. Very easy. And due to the way our brains work, their small size can make us seem further away than we actually are.
Yes- that’s why you have to look.
I would rather visual indicators of their presence like a flashing light of a specific color
Not sure why you’re being downvoted.
I’ve been riding for years but had to renew my license. The motorcycle tests now has a section where you have to find the motorcyclist in the rain.
And honestly, that section broke me. I love riding in dark colors on my dark bike. But I’d be god damn near invisible in the rain.
And I wished this test was forced on everybody (motorcyclists, car heads, hell even bike riders).
Yeah something like flashing or cycling cym on the back and sides. As long as it’s unmistakable it’s good. Noise is a huge disruption and it isn’t clear about location. Lights are
It’s only visible from the back, but more bikes are coming equipped with brake lights that strobe for a second when activated to get more attention. (We only have one rear brake light, compared to three on cars). And now it’s easy to find add-on helmet lights that also activate with the brakes. Not the all-rounder lighting you’re talking about, but early info seems promising.
That’s good. I want y’all to be visible and safe, I just really don’t want y’all to wake the dead riding past
maybe the can wear an indicator, a big floppy one on top of their helmets, preferably flesh tinted and mushroom shaped - so everyone can easily see the pricks
The louder the vehicle, the dumber the driver.
I’m driving an EV and I would like to prove you wrong.
I was making tea in a teapot, when I poured in the boiled water and closed the lid, the hot air inside expanding and making the tea overflowing through the spout. In a panic, I quickly used my finger to plug the spout in an attempt to stop the overflowing, and thus burned my finger.
My best friend of 20 years was sitting there and witnessed the whole thing. It has been years since and he’s still bringing it up occasionally.
“A falling knife has no handle.”
Your reflexes were faster than your brain, happens sometimes.
Yep. Every time a blade is dropped I step back and push/pull anyone else away.
I shave with a safety razor and made that mistake once. Thankfully a minor scratch but still scary.
As a kid I got yelled at for breaking the iron, because it fell and I moved instead of catching it.
Once my mom was done, I asked her if a new iron was cheaper than a hospital bill for two burned hands.
She didn’t apologize for yelling, but she said I was right.
Fantastic wit hahaa
Did you drive the teapot?
the future’s gonna be fun, watching these idiots lose their entire identity - vroom vroom - to the inescapable fact that they’re killing themselves and our environment with their bullshit.
the temper tantrums are going to be hilarious, and more than a few will die to hold on to their noisemaking smog machines, because to them, that’s freedom.
What do you mean the future? It’s happening now. One party has ran on “the EPA is trying to ban cars.”
I had to listen to a friend of my gf’s sister talking how she will make her car loud and all that. I really wanted to punch her in the face for being such an absolute dumbass. Why do you need your car to be above the legal sound limit?
Because she either a sadist, a psychopath, and/or a narcissist.
Send her this article: Who Wants a Loud Car? [Psychology Today]
Tell her to get help.
Because it’s cool.
Apparently.
I’d like to see all noisy bikes and cars seized and crushed. And the owner billed for the work and time.
Why the fuck is cringe censored?
It’s probably a typo. The n key is right above the spacebar. I make the same mistake quite often.
It’s probably a typo. The n key is right above the spacebar. I make the same mistake quite ofte .
Missed opportu ity right there.
Its a bad word to some.
So we’ve become reddit?
I don’t think so. I didn’t get ban muted for saying so.
Let me run out and ask my neighbor, who also carries a gun while he mows the lawn
this is probably a joke but in these times i have to check. fo’ real?
Not OC, but I don’t doubt it. I’ve seen several people strapped with guns walking around their suburban home in my very red state. I saw a guy with a pistol clipped to his gym shorts getting the mail once, just dangling around, falling lower with every step. 2A bros are terrified of everything and panic without an emotional support weapon
When I was a kid, we had a neighbor that would sit on the beach with a shotgun in his lap, to watch kids playing in the lake
Oh it’s real. I used to have a neighbor who would mow with a massive revolver on his belt, and no shirt
if it weren’t so dangerous i’d have loved to see that picture. I get the feeling his revolver was competing with his belly for size. am i right? I’m just guessing cuz if i had a six-pack i wouldn’t want the gun distracting anyone.
Surprisingly no! He was more of the stick-skinny, probably into meth, cut off jean shorts and boots kinda guy
My neighbor is a decent man. I like him. We differ greatly politically but we can have a conversation and find common ground against the rich. My neighbor is not a racist. My neighbor is not a caricature.
My neighbor wears his gun to walk from his porch to mine to talk. And our houses are literally fifteen feet apart.
I bet you want to make a comment on it but you can’t. I know my mind wants to come up with a question and can’t. Frankly it seems more likely the gun is there as a conversation piece than anything else like a tattoo.
Have you complimented his gun? I’m so curious!
We talked guns once. I told him I keep mine inside and left it at that.
I’d bet money it’s not a joke.
yeah i’m getting lots of replies with stories showing my city ass i simply have no clue what the 'burbs are gettin up to anymore. Seems we’re not ok.
Sorry, a week later, but yes I have never seen the man without a gun on his hip. Why? Well, my suspicion is that he has a small penis. I base that on him also owning a Harley which he rarely rides but does start and rev up at literally any time of day.
It’s a perfectly normal hobby for 100% straight, manly, conservative, white (did I mention straight?) men, who like to meet up with other 100% straight men, to wear skin-tight leather suits and enjoy the strong vibrations of their hot Harley engine between their legs.
Okay, but just to be clear, assless chaps are still super hetero, right?
Right?
Just gonna drop this here. https://www.psypost.org/psychopathy-and-sadism-drive-preference-for-loud-vehicles-study-suggests/
Just wait until you get these idiots:
He added the extra suspension on the wrong end.
He got that Curralina squat
And those motocross. My family lives in a rural area with a rail trail. So to go there I often just cycle on the rail trail.
Unfortunately it’s also used by a local motocross group. They’re not supposed to but they obviously don’t give a fuck.
At least you can hear them coming from kilometres away. Which is interesting because the police or whoever is supposed to enforce “bicycles only” on that bike path doesn’t seem to hear them. Nor see the very obvious tracks.
The most insulting part is that they close the path in fall, winter and spring because they don’t want CYCLISTS to damage the bike path, yet there’s assholes on motocross driving on it.
I wish I could find a city that actually enforced noise ordinances against loud vehicles. Every city I’ve lived in has been way too fucking loud for me to handle, so now I have to drive everywhere because the alternative is live in a city and be driven insane by noise pollution.
I’d like it if they would enforce noise ordinances at all.
What’s the difference between a Harley and a Hoover?
Location of the dirt bag.
A dirt bag is a very useful part of the vacuum cleaner, clearly it’s a compliment.
Man, there is a small d man who lives along my street and EVERY F DAY he drives his loud and noisy motorbike. It’s driving me insane!
Also, there is a car that every f day, around 10 am, drive down the street, but his carburetor is open, being stupidly loud! It make me literally sick!
There was a guy who used to rev his obnoxiously loud bike super early and super late round my way, it was so loud it would leave your ears ringing even inside with the windows shut.
He died in a bike accident and everyone was happy, so many neighbour’s I’ve barely spoken to shared a quiet comment about it.
We do though get a ride through every year from the chapter of the gang he was in because he died ‘a heros death’ according to them as he had been fighting a different group of manchildren on motorbikes earlier that day and they were possibly chasing him at the time.
The family have a shrine to him by the road (not where he died, just near their house) with empty beer cans, burnt out candles, biker patches, cheap plastic skulls, and slogans about how tough or cool bikers are. It’s a fascinating testament to how we form groups and make our own reality, I think he and they really believe that when we saw him on that stupidly loud bike we wished we could be as cool as him rather than everyone viewing him as nothing but an annoyance.
Duality exists. He might have been awesome in a way they saw, even if his loud pipes were annoying to you.
Don’t know if he was, only that you got a limited view of this person, and it seems cruel to degenerate how other people mourn.
I know plenty of people that knew him, sure he was a good friend to some but when your whole personality is egotistical attention seeking through violence and disruption then yeah I’m going to quietly laugh at the irony of a shrine which only serves as a reminder to the locals that their life was made a little better and safer.
Set the bike on fire.
This is the internet. It’s OK to swear here.
Man,I swear there is a small d man who lives along my street and EVERY F DAY he drives his loud and noisy motorbike. I swear It’s driving me insane!Also,I swear there is a car that every f day, around 10 am, drive down the street, but his carburetor is open, being stupidly loud! I swear It make me literally sick!Can we be racist too?
Literally eh
We really do not value quiet enough.
And the people here who’s idea of a utopia is all of us living in Mega City One are the worst of them.
I used to play WoW with a guy in London, and literally every time he opened his mic to speak, it was a cacophony of sirens and cars and helicopters. I don’t know how people in cities can even here themselves think. Like, great, you can order from 20 different Chinese takeaways but at what cost?
Other folks will probably reply with “Cities aren’t loud, cars are loud” but sirens and helicopters will still be there even if there aren’t cars.
Plus if the city is quiet suddenly I’m all anxious because I don’t want to bother anyone with my noise. Social anxiety and cities do not mix.
How many of those sirens are responding to a car related accident?I would assume a signifcant amount. They may also be able to use their sirens less if streets were less congetsed. I’m also much more forgiving hearing a siren responding to an emergency than hearing a modfiied honda fart all the way to McDonalds.
Not doing anything about car noise pollution just because sirens and helicopters still exist is a poor solution.
I’m just saying that even if there weren’t any cars it would still be too loud for me to feel comfortable.
Then again if it’s too quiet I still wouldn’t feel comfortable.
tl;dr I don’t like cities. Or suburbs. Or people, really.
I’m in DC and NYC a lot, and the places I stay are almost always pretty quiet areas (cause I’m not staying in the hotbed touristy/party-y areas)
Even in cities, most people have average boring 9 to 5 jobs and need to sleep at night. When you get away from those particular areas (of course Times Square isnt indicative of the “norm,” right?) its all pretty mundane actually.
Most people suggesting we should densify are targeting suburbs, not rural areas. Suburbs are incredibly expensive and environmentally wasteful per square inch. They have all the utility of a city but spread out with more asphalt, cement, power, sewer, water, gas, cheap inefficient homes that leach heat/ac at an alarming rate, etc.
In rural areas the infrastructure isn’t always as expensive because some residents have their own septic and well, live on a dirt road, heat with a wood furnace, etc. A few of those things are also more renewable. Additionally, rural areas are still required for our way of living (farming, logging, mining, fishing), while suburbs have negative societal value (they take more than they put back into the system).
I suspect the suburb issue is one of car centric US suburbs where you can’t even get out of it without a car, rather than somewhere like the UK, where I effectively live in what is now a suburb of a larger city (if I drove there, it’s about ten miles, through an entirely built up area), but that “suburb” is also a town that’s been here since medieval times with it’s own shops and workplaces and facilities.
Seems to me the issue is less about low density suburbs, and more about the fact that there’s nothing there apart from rows and rows of identikit housing.
Absolutely, North America has a special level of stupidity. To clarify yes, the suburbs in the US mostly don’t even have a real town center, many are just residential, malls, and big box stores. The average property size and spread is also often much less dense than nearly any suburb in the UK. So the infrastructure and environmental cost is much much higher.
