Where did she get that number? Where’s the source?
Majorities of both men (61%) and women (64%) express support for legal abortion.
38% of men are against abortion, and 33% of women are against.
The numbers are pretty similar.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/
Thanks, the story she was telling was counter-intuitive and without source. Hence, doubt!
Those are different numbers, percentage of men who are against abortion and percentage of people against abortion who are men are not the same.
Doesn’t matter. If you take those numbers, let’s say 4 out of 10 men are against abortion, so you put them in a pile.
Then you take 3 out of 10 women against abortion and you put them in the same pile.
So now you have a pile with 4 men and 3 women who are against abortion. Which would mean 4/7 people who are against abortion are men. Which is 57%. Not 79% at all.
Either way. What’s the source. Should always source your statistics.
82% of statistics are made up on the spot. Everyone knows that.
69% of the time, it works every time
nice
Your point is probably still generally correct because the percentage of men and women in the population is close to 50% each but in general the argument doesn’t work unless you have equal numbers of both in the population.
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It does matter, you’re assuming that they surveyed equal number of men and women, but I don’t see anywhere on that site that indicates that. Example in which op could be correct along with the statistics from (or close enough because I am on my phone and can’t get too complicated). Let’s create our dataset that could fit both results, let’s say they surveyed 100 people, 74 men and 26 women. From that 36 people are against abortion, 28 men and 8 women. So 36% of people surveyed are against abortion( This part matches the overall %s from the survey). Those 28men make up 78% of the people against abortion (this part matches OP). If we calculate them within each gender, 38% of the men are against abortion and 29% of women are against abortion (numbers got a little different here, but it’s close to the survey results). I am assuming that they didn’t have equal number of men and women, that’s why they stayed away from that calculation.
Ok, my first thought was “no way” but different areas of the country are different, so I was open to digging in. Looks like my gut was right, it’s just more “alternative facts.”
“the country” which country is that?
My home country, assuming the average wouldn’t be far off
Before Roe v. Wade were overturned I was critical about abortion, then we started hearing about all the trouble women go through and it shows how essential abortion is for reducing birth complications, even if it sounds illogical.
My main issue were when abortion was used as contraceptive, because at the time of abortion the body is increasing hormone production and then it’s tough on the woman emotionally when the fetus is removed, but then I learn that in those states sex-ed is very limited and contraceptives can be hard to get hold of. And without sex-ed and contraceptives abortion is the only option left.
In light of all that I now know why we need abortion and feel like a fool for opposing it.
because at the time of abortion the body is increasing hormone production and then it’s tough on the woman emotionally when the fetus is removed
I applaud you changing your mind in face of new information, I just kind of want to nitpick that being forced to carry a pregnancy that you don’t want to term is also going to be extremely physically and emotionally tough.
As a relative to a parent, who’s grandparents didn’t even want them but had to give birth to my parents, due to society stigma at the time, it honestly genuinely not worth it, esp with the amount of trauma my parent (dad) had to endure, due to not being loved and cared for, which has lead to further trauma extended to me too, due to unresolved pain. Abortion is a necessity. It saves lives alongside, helping people not suffer from further trauma and pain for the future for themselves and kids as well.
I’m curious, is there ANY evidence of ‘abortion as contraceptive’ happening?
I suspect it is one of those things that conservatives imagine being all over the place because in their communities where they would be shamed for becoming pregnant while unmarried and where contraceptives are hard to get that is how they imagine they would handle it.
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
Well, sort of. In that in states that teach abstinence-only sexual education, there is a higher rate of teen pregnancy. I’m guessing you could extrapolate from that and find that teen abortion rates are higher, but I don’t have that data.
As I like to say to “pro-life” people: “Want to reduce abortion? Make contraception free and teach comprehensive sexual education.”
Yup, and I’m still critical of abortion, but because of similar stuff to what you said, my official position is essentially pro-abortion, with some caveats to discourage things I find truly awful (e.g. no abortion after learning the gender unless it’s for a medical emergency).
My main issue were when abortion was used as contraceptive
What does this even mean? That’s literally all abortions?
From what I gather contraceptives ensures that the egg is not fertilized or not produced.
Whereas abortions is done after implantation.
Good point, in which case no abortion could ever be conctraceptive
68% of people believe in made-up numbers. 71% even, if the numbers sound random enough.
This is erasure of the like, 1 maybe 2, trans men that are anti-abortion
I wish it was that few, but sadly trans people can have some really atrocious politics too. I doubt they’re a significant factor on this particular scenario, though.
Turns out that assholes are roughly evenly distributed through the population, unfortunately.
Co-worker once told me managers are like assholes, everybody has at least one.
trans men that are anti-abortion
Well, allow me to be inclusive and say that both cis- and trans men who oppose aborion deserve a very equal kick to the face.
Yeah I kind of thought the statement was somehow obliquely anti-trans, but I didn’t want to open that can of arsenic.
Though abortion isn’t about men vs. women… It’s more like everyone against some religuous bigots.
It is far, far from only religious bigots who oppose abortion.
Is it? I mean I probably live in a different culture than most of the people here. I don’t know that many people in real life who are opposed in the way I read from the news from overseas (or our more catholic neighbors). And what I’ve read that science has a differentiated stance on it. It’s okay up to a certain point and consequences need to be factored in and weighed… What else are reasons to be strictly anti-abortion?
It’s not about religion at the highest levels of government. It’s about controlling women and birth rates, and yes, privileging men by returning them to the “head of the household”
Imagine being such a big strong man that you need that title to make it through your day.
Typical behaviour to compensate for a small wee-wee. And personality issues.
No they don’t. They only tell half the story.
The fact that the remaining 21% regularly go to abortion clinics anyway and tell the doctors that they will go to hell for giving them an abortion even as they demand one tells the other half.
I would encourage you to read the post more carefully. It doesn’t say anything about how many men oppose abortion. It’s making a claim about how many abortion opponents are men. Therefore, the 21% left over in that statement are in fact women who, most likely due to religious brainwashing, oppose abortion.
Correct.
And you’ll note that the article I linked to was about women who oppose abortion, who, in fact, seem fine with getting one themselves.
I’m somewhat confused as to what you thought I was talking about.
Oof. Looks like I’m the one who looks silly now.
Wow… I’m in the 21% who don’t oppose abortion and I also don’t go to clinics to harass the doctors, so apparently the story has at least 3 halves.
if you don’t oppose abortion then you’re not in that 21%
Doesn’t really matter because the supermajority of Americans think abortion should be legal anyway. It’s a small minority of the population that we have allowed to dictate domestic policy for their religious agenda.
It’s not even religious. Their religion says all kinds of really important shit that they completely ignore. They just pick this one specific issue because they hate women and it’s a lot easier to say “Uhhhh it’s because of my religion, you’re discriminating against me!” than it is to say “I hate women and want them to suffer”.
Oh come now. They don’t hate women, they just want to punish women for having sex outside of marriage because it’s against…their… religion…
…hm.
Also not in the religion, they’re specifically instructed that they’re not to make judgements or enact any punishments on the behalf of god, which this is.
I think even that is reaching. Most of them don’t want to punish women for extramarital sex, they just think God’s will is that those women deserve what they get. Of course they still defy God’s will by wearing glasses if God gave them bad eyes, but that’s just more shoddy reasoning.
Their motivations are still religious. Scripture and belief/practice often do not coincide or outright contradict each other.
It’s religious leaders saying this stuff. It isn’t in scripture. Not Christian scripture, at any rate.
I think that’s confusing simple ignorance and crappy reasoning with hate, which is a very misapplied word today. Another example is people who don’t recycle - they don’t hate the environment, they’re just fucking lazy.
Reminds me of how some at the GOP was making a joke that it makes no sense for women over 50 to even care about abortion rights cause it doesn’t apply to them anymore.
Yet he saw no problem with him, as a man who can never carry a child, having an opinion on abortions.
Plenty of men support abortion - it removes financial responsibility from them, after all. Protests at abortion clinics are often held by women as much as men.
The more important demographic here is that most opposed to abortion are strongly religious.
Look outside the US and you’ll see that countries that do support choice are less influenced by the Church. It’s not coincidence.
And many of the men who oppose abortions, are massive fucking hypocrits who will gladly have their mistress get an abortion somewhere else.
Almost as if claiming a simple statistic tells the whole story doesn’t tell the whole story.
And of the women, probably 1/3rd of them are post-menopausal and won’t have any more kids either
If men could get pregnant, there would be drive-through abortion clinics every 5 miles
Men can get pregnant.
In any significant quantity, i guess.
They need female parts for that buddy.
With all due buddy: “If cisgender men could get pregnant…, …with a drive thru haha every five freedom units I’m dunny with the funny” would slap, contrasted to choosing to erase trans men, which catches hands.
With all due buddy
i’m stealing this
Men can have female parts. About 1% of men are born with a vagina and uterus. Drag personally knows several men like this.
It was root to leave out the slugs
I totally understand the point and I’m not trying to undermine, but I’m curious is this close to the actual ratio for 79%?
And to be pedantic, some men have uteri.
The percentage of trans men opposed to abortion is, if not precisely zero, a minuscule rounding error from it.
Yeah, the percentage of the population that’s trans is about 1%. The percentage of trans men that oppose reasonable abortion access is surely vanishingly small (because of largely overlapping bodily autonomy rights concerns).
While this is true, it seems to me like a bad idea to bring this up in a political conversation with an anti-choice voter…
There are definitely women with kids who are against abortion. Source: I know some of them.
My sister in law with 8 children is “against it as a contraceptive” which I’m not convinced has been a thing for more than a handful of people that wasn’t due to lack of proper contraceptive access and education, or mental disorder.
However she AND her religious husband have been “reconsidering” purely from the goodness of their hearts and surely not because the majority of their children are girls, the oldest of which is soon to be a teenager, I’m sure. Definitely not because now it affects their family directly…
And because I’m sure someone will get a giggle out of this anecdote, they forbid any sleepovers with BOYS because they don’t want anyone “making purple”, but) and completely dismiss the fact that their girls could decide they would rather make pinker pink.
But statistically 50% of the aborted fetuses will be male! Checkmate!
The 79% statistic does not seem true, at least if we’re assuming the American context. The sentiments around legal abortion are more similar than that between men and women, with 38% of men opposed and 33% of women opposed to legal abortion in most cases.
