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The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

Just when I feel like dystopian news can’t really disturb me anymore…

Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all…

How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target’s family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

    • Basic Glitch@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      1243·
      30 days ago

      It’s not normal. It’s ok until the majority of America accepts what can really be done with that database Trump is having Palantir build.

      • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        29 days ago

        i think the military has been using thiels palintir for at least 10 years already. TRump just made it more obvious, because hes a loudmouth. thiel loved to stay out of the spotlight of the news for many reasons. everytime he was in the news, its never is good for him.

      • OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        29 days ago

        Who’s Palantir? I sort if live under a rock. Yes I looked it up. I’m asking for the general scoop.

        • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          29 days ago

          Palantir, as you know is the all seeing stone in LOTR, THiel is obsessed with LOTR for the wrong reasons, he named several companies after lotr themes: MITHIRL, andurl, lembas,etc. Peter thiel is the funds behind AI tech that palantir uses, which is used by the military and now by Some LEO. basically a spying software with AI.

    • doctortofu@piefed.socialEnglish
      18·
      30 days ago

      It’s absolutely not okay, but since there will be no negative consequences for it whatsoever, it’s the new normal. This is sadly what happens when laws are not enforced, and I’m not sure if anything even can be done anymore…

    • flandish@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      30 days ago

      It is “statistically” normal in that governments and corporations will always choose death because it is profitable.

      It is not and never has been ok.

    • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
      4·
      29 days ago

      they have been doing this for decades, even to the point clandestine type novel stories are often written about them.

      • Basic Glitch@lemm.eeOPEnglish
        20·
        30 days ago

        And everyone in their family, building, and general vicinity, and anyone in that 10% of targets who are misidentified by Palantir’s predictive policing/facial recognition tech apparently?

    • PlagueShip@lemmy.worldEnglish
      38·
      29 days ago

      It should be normal. People helping an evil state get nukes, deserve to die. Unfortunately what’s normal nowadays is sitting around fat and lazy and letting NK become a nuclear power.

        • PlagueShip@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          28 days ago

          Well they were less evil back then… now I think we should cut off all support. And I think we probably would stop the donations, if it wasn’t for Iran being allied with Ruzzia.

    • rhvg@lemmy.worldEnglish
      637·
      30 days ago

      Europeans did the genocide and took over America, in a much larger scale. Israel is just a smaller copy cat. The fact USA exists justifies what Israel does.

        • rhvg@lemmy.worldEnglish
          221·
          30 days ago

          Truth is hard to swallow. Regardless, people are dying anyway.

            • rottingleaf@lemmy.worldEnglish
              28·
              30 days ago

              Equating Israel to USA in its right to exist is not swallowing its cock.

              They are right. Except one problem still can be solved, the other not so much. Maybe a few centuries after now somebody will think of something. Slow demographic changes and more modern weapons, that stuff.

  • SinningStromgald@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1794·
    30 days ago

    Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

    This bit stood out to me. Israel has been planning this war since at least November of last year. Israel’s current actions say this wasn’t a simple “what if…” contingency plan that a government comes up with. This was a plan they were going to put into action soon. Makes it even more disgusting to me.

    • TeamAssimilation@infosec.pubEnglish
      931·
      30 days ago

      This was clear since such a big and supposedly effective intelligence apparatus failed to stop or warn about the Hamas attack that gave Israel pretext to go full ethnic cleaning and warmongering.

      They knew, they allowed it, and paid a modest price in Israeli casualties to kickstart their plan. Also, Ukraine was attracting all the war funding, they couldn’t risk USA reducing their military allowance.

      I hate that USA is enabling them, and at the same time being hipocritical about wanting a peaceful solution. Cut their funding if you want to stop them. Freeze their assets like NATO did with Russia. Act, don’t talk.

      • Jessica@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        273·
        30 days ago

        It would take one phone call from the President, and the genocide would stop. Biden could have done it, and Trump still can. I don’t see the US governments unwavering support of Israel ever ending.

          • nomy@lemmy.zipEnglish
            91·
            29 days ago

            You’ll need to elaborate if you want to actually contribute.

            • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
              56·
              29 days ago

              The president of the US doesn’t have their hand up the PM of Israel’s ass. This is especially true of Biden who was known to be on his way out either way. We can withdraw support but its difficult for the US pres to do so unilaterally when Israel is politically popular on both side. Given the lack of power to make it stick such a phone call from Biden would have been ignored in favor of waiting for a change of regime.

          • Jessica@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            121·
            29 days ago

            I don’t see how that is naive at all. We prop Israel up. If the president calls Bibi and threatens to stop all aid, unless they imposed a ceasefire, it would happen. They have so much power, tech and weaponry because we give it to them. If we pointed the barrel of the most powerful military on earth at them, they would cease immediately.

      • rumimevlevi@lemmings.worldBannedEnglish
        23·
        29 days ago

        There we again with the israel has superior inteligence that can’t never make mistakes bs.

        Israel has many impressive operations but it doesn’t mean everything bad happen in israel is just according to a plan

    • Basic Glitch@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      302·
      30 days ago

      Fuck, also explains why Netenyahu jumped at the opportunity as soon as he avoided having his government dissolved by vote. Fuuuuck this is so much evil bullshit.

    • jonne@infosec.pubEnglish
      153·
      29 days ago

      I mean, that’s not really surprising. Every military makes plans for any contingency, and Israel especially has always been paranoid about Iran’s nuclear programme, so of course they would make sure they’re tracking the scientists in case they needed to make a move.

      The disgusting part is them just pulling the trigger for political reasons instead of actual intelligence that indicates a breakout. And obviously killing civilians, which the scientists and their families are, but obviously Israel has shown in the past they don’t care about that.

    • Bloomcole@lemmy.worldBanned from communityEnglish
      43·
      29 days ago

      They have been bombing Iran for years, OC these lunatics had these plans already.

      • kcweller@feddit.nlEnglish
        61·
        29 days ago

        It’s civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.

        You’re part of the problem.

          • kcweller@feddit.nlEnglish
            1·
            26 days ago

            I’m not saying they couldn’t be. I’m saying that the official body meant to oversee this has not yet put out proof that they are. So we can imagine all we want. If the professional independent watchdog that is checking for this has not officially made a statement with undeniable proof that they are, they aren’t.

            Who has more insight in the matter, you or the IAEA?

        • TheRealKuni@lemmy.worldEnglish
          48·
          29 days ago

          It’s civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.

          Is it though? What level of enrichment do they need for a nuclear energy program, and what level of enrichment were they at? I think it’s naive to say they weren’t working on a weapon.

          I’m not saying it justifies killing civilian scientists, but we ought to be honest about the why.

          • kcweller@feddit.nlEnglish
            42·
            29 days ago

            Where is the evidence that they are working on a weapon? There are people getting murdered because people have become brainwashed enough to just assume Iran is working on a nukes.

            I’m just saying, killing civilians on the basis of assumption is a pretty terrorist move and feels very similar to how Iraq was bombed to hell by America. But hey, that’s just my 2 cents.

            • TheRealKuni@lemmy.worldEnglish
              53·
              29 days ago

              According to the IAEA, the Natanz site was producing uranium enriched to 60% u-235.

              For electricity, you need 3-5% u-235.

              That’s not an energy program, that’s a weapons program.

              • kcweller@feddit.nlEnglish
                21·
                29 days ago

                And it’s on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.

                • TheRealKuni@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  31·
                  29 days ago

                  And it’s on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.

                  Okay. Don’t use your reason if you’d prefer not to. It does make me wonder though:

                  Do you think the killing of the civilian scientists was wrong because they were civilian scientists, or because they were ostensibly working on an energy program?

                  Because as I said, I’m not claiming the murders were justified, just that we ought to be honest about the why.

                  There are plenty making the argument that Iran needs a nuclear weapons program to prevent exactly these types of attacks. That is intellectually honest. I’m not sure where I fall on that argument, I’d rather no one have nuclear weapons (but obviously that’s not going to happen).

                  The difference between 5% and 60% enrichment is pretty huge. And the research and effort required to get there is neither cheap nor easy. If what they’re after is nuclear energy, there is absolutely no reason to continue risking the ire of the international community and the repeated attacks by Israel. They’ve had energy-level uranium for a very long time already.

      • TheLiveFive@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        29 days ago

        I’m sure you still think it was a great thing we got to iraq before they set off those wmd’s

      • hark@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        29 days ago

        Iran has the right to defend themselves and israel has proven again that Iran is in need of this defense.

        • MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          27 days ago

          iran shouldn’t have funded hamas and terrorist activity around the world. Iran fucked around and now its finding out.

            • MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.caEnglish
              1·
              27 days ago

              the terrorist state that launched a war against real terrorists after they murdered over 1200 people and took hundreds of people including children hostage.

              your REAL terrorist propaganda doesn’t work on me. blocked.

  • fluxion@lemmy.worldEnglish
    843·
    30 days ago

    Think about this when you see politicians trying to pass absurd laws like banning all regulation of AI. AI is a cover to remove any last semblance of accountability for atrocious and illegal activities

    • Hackworth@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      29 days ago

      Politicians attempting to ban AI regulation are only shielding OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, etc. Those same politicians will pearl clutch about Hugging Face or DeepSeek in the same breath. It’s just about money and the arms race. Abdicating responsibility to AI would require either a change in how we regulate people or a granting of rights/responsibility to AI. Though I don’t doubt we will see people try to blame AI for their poor decisions.

  • Tuxman@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    784·
    29 days ago

    Yet they didn’t know about preparation for the October 7th attack?

    Tinfoil hat mode: they let it happen to have a reason to raze Gaza to the ground.

    (Sorry, that’s my “Bush did 9/11” moment)

  • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
    731·
    30 days ago

    Anyone who gets uncomfortable with government surveillance because it could be used to target certain demographics of people needs to look no further than what Israel has done to prove their point.

    The only thing stopping the world from autonomously targeting people by online demographic is common human decency, and humanity is running on very short supply of that these days.

    • rottingleaf@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      30 days ago

      But that is their dream for the future. Purely automatically managing the populace as some sort of a farm.

      It’s an arms race. Like at any other point in history. Between those who think personal dignity and freedom and equality are a mistake of history or a device to keep the herd patient, and that they deserve to rule, and those who don’t.

      The good part is that this has already been tried. A fast system with deadlocks is not that different from a slow system with deadlocks. And a big redundant system deterministically degrading in itself is not that different from a smaller less redundant system deterministically degrading in itself. No USSR and no Nazi Germany anymore on the map.

      The parts about lying and false pretense of law and democracy are new, but not too much - rulers of Frederic the Great’s time had false pretenses of knightly behavior and following imperial mechanisms. One can even compare 30 years war to our two world wars in the sense of creating a new world order, which was considered impossible to change due to endless horrors following that, but eventually become a farce.

  • Cocodapuf@lemmy.worldEnglish
    765·
    29 days ago

    This is state sanctioned mass murder. This is state terror attacks across a national border. This is so unethical and obviously illegal, I don’t know what else to say about it.

    We need to distance ourselves from Israel. We need to stop giving them weapons. Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them, I am partially responsible, and this is not “ok”. I do not want to be doing this, I never wanted this…

    • Basic Glitch@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      16·
      29 days ago

      Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them,

      And we are giving millions in contracts to Palantir to help them create these nightmare AI projects with zero oversight.

      Alex Karp’s biography makes it pretty clear he’s trying to spin this shit as every American’s patriotic duty to support, and no different than the Manhattan project (as if that’s something great to aspire to in the first fucking place) during WWII.

    • 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      22·
      29 days ago

      Just to play devils advocate, what circumstances is it legitimate for Israel to attack Iran?

      • Cocodapuf@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        29 days ago

        Yeah, that’s cool.

        Well I guess my opinion is that it’s essentially never “legitimate” to be the aggressor. Determining which party is the aggressor can sometimes be complicated, but it often boils down to this: which party is crossing the border?

        In this case, I’m sure many would say that Iran took the first aggressive action by pursuing a nuclear program, but I have a few issues with that. First, Israel already has nuclear weapons, so surely that is an earlier provocation. Secondly, Iran still isn’t crossing the border, Israel was first to pull the trigger, and they pulled a lot of triggers (in Iranian territory). And finally, Israel and Iran have been in the process of forging nuclear treaties many times now, and nearly every time Israel has sabotaged the talks with provocative, often military actions, or they simply left the table - it seems clear to me that Israel does not want a nuclear deal, they will not accept any kind of compromise.

        • 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          15·
          28 days ago

          If that’s your metric, then I think Israel meets it. Iran has sponsored and directed non-state actors in Israel. These include both Hamas and Hezbollah. Additionally, Houthi militants have targeted Israeli civilian shipping.

          • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            3·
            28 days ago

            If a state is to be held accountable for non-state actors then I do not believe Israel or the United States has any moral high ground whatsoever. Even less than if we strictly limit the scope to only state actions.

          • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            28 days ago

            So Israel subjugates, kicks people from their homes, and guns them down en mass at peaceful protests for years. Then Hamas lashes back out in what we call a terrorist attack. Then Israel uses it as a reason to further their subjugation and commit genocide. The Houthis say they will shoot at any countrys ships who is trading with Israel unless they stop their massacre. And you’re saying that it would have been a better response for Iran to just bomb Israel without notice. Maybe you’re right. Most of the world should have done something to stop what Israel was doing, but most of it was about putting pressure on the U.S. to say this isn’t worth us spending money on, and convince us to tell Israel to stop or we’d cut aid and sanction them. If Iran attacked in defense of the Palestinians, Israel would once again have made it out that they were somehow the victim. They aren’t. The only reason the “2 state solution” never came to be is because Israel made sure it would never happen.

  • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.worldEnglish
    704·
    29 days ago

    I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.

    • LordGimp@lemm.eeEnglish
      441·
      29 days ago

      There is no “international authority”. It’s all big stick politics out there. It’s like trying to go after a corporation in the US. The “punishments” when they break the law are fines, if that, and any admonishment not to fuck over the same person in the same way again.

      Think about your boss shorting you $100. The “legal” process involves YEARS of waiting for a court date, a labor code interpreted heavily in favor of the employer, and at the end of the day, they get fines and maybe have to pay back what you rightfully earned in the first place.

      Now think about what happens when you steal $100 from work. Immediate police involvement, possible arrest, absolute legal consequences even if you’re cleared years later, the presumption of guilt from everyone in society.

      It’s even worse on a political stage. Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it’s broken. Everyone just waits around until the collective consciousness supports some sort of social consequence on the offender in question. That’s not even tying race or religion into the mix, which Israel loves to twist up into their particular brand of nationalism.

      The civil world is simply too polite to call them out for all their shit. It’s a whole world full of chickenshit and I am tired of the stink.

      • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
        111·
        29 days ago

        It’s like that saying goes: “The law is the same for everyone, neither the king nor the beggar may sleep under a bridge.”

        • Ironfist79@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          28 days ago

          That’s BS. The king would never need to sleep under a bridge and if he chose to the police would be there to kick out the homeless people and make sure the king is safe for the night.

          • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zipEnglish
            8·
            28 days ago

            That’s the point of the saying. The law can be crafted to treat everyone equally, while only benefitting the king.

            Edit: It’s why the billionaire media is so angry at the concept of “equity” and “wokeness”. Both terms help us beggars discuss our situation, and both might threaten the king’s throne, if we realize how simply the laws could be adjusted for what we want from them, rather than for what the king wants.

    • HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish
      201·
      29 days ago

      There’s a rules-based international order. We make the rules, and guess who gives the orders.

    • Triasha@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      28 days ago

      You have been playing too much rainbow six. There are no good guys in the halls of power looking after us.

      There are only the rich fucks over here and the rich fucks over there pulling the levers of power.

    • MNByChoice@midwest.socialEnglish
      3·
      29 days ago

      Nation level retaliation would ensue. Maybe possible to do in some country matchups, but not possible in all.

    • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
      65·
      29 days ago

      This isn’t how anything works. No government cedes this kind of authority to anyone and trying to enforce it would lead to war even among allies.

      • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        28 days ago

        The alternative is “drop bombs”.

        Rounding up leaders and putting them on trial seems like a more civilized international approach than engaging in the same bloodthirsty, explosive, surprise-murder that is literally the whole problem here.

        • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          28 days ago

          You don’t have the alternative to go into other people’s country and round up people because people will absolutely shoot any such folks then drop bomb’s on your cities and forces. It’s not my fault you are confused about what the options are.

    • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
      516·
      29 days ago

      Trying to give Iran nukes is pretty close to accompliss to mass murder. Iran is a terrorist state.

      Anyone should reasonably be trying to negotiate to avoid loss of life but at the end of the day killing them may be the lesser of two evils from the perspective of the would be target.

      • Mangoholic@lemmy.mlEnglish
        211·
        28 days ago

        Isreal is a terrorist state, the US is a terrorist state. Assasinating people or blowing them up on their way to work is terror. Blowing up pagers in homes while a child is bring it to daddy is terrorism.

      • AppleTea@lemmy.zipEnglish
        143·
        28 days ago

        Terrorism is internationally recognized as when a group or organization unaffiliated with a recognized government uses violence to achieve a political goal. “Terrorist state” is a contradiction in terms.

        Netanyahu is leading a genocide and starting wars, all to avoid the regular democratic and legal process of Israel. Why are you carrying water for him?

  • mhague@lemmy.worldEnglish
    62·
    29 days ago

    They are flying jets, using drones, and even small explosives. The homes of these scientists were severely damaged. The richest countries of the world are backing Israel.

    Is this just Israel putting out propaganda? These scientists thought they were safe at home. Sinister! Super secret weapon that blows up apartment buildings. Sounds revolutionary!

    • ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      28 days ago

      As usual this is teenage boy logic. They are posing with their guns as recruitment propaganda. No it’s a super secret magic cool gun from god you haven’t even heard of it because it’s so futuristic and we’re cool so not at all evil, right

  • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
    621·
    29 days ago
    1. what a stupid fucking name
    2. why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
    3. why does no one ask question 2
      • Shardikprime@lemmy.worldEnglish
        413·
        29 days ago

        Why not?

        Daily on Lemmy there are thousands of calls to murder X or Y person who doesn’t agree with collectivist ideology.

        Why would it be different for them?

          • Shardikprime@lemmy.worldEnglish
            24·
            29 days ago

            Sure, just check the modlog, there is thousands of murder calls and violent action calls erased everyday. That’s the ones that get reported.

            I feel comfortable saying no one here is surprised in the slightest by the level of violent discourse shared in here on Lemmy

      • pineapplepizza@lemm.eeEnglish
        241·
        29 days ago

        In 1994, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia.

          • Makhno@lemmy.worldEnglish
            19·
            29 days ago

            Yeah, seems like the lesson is build nukes at all costs, as it’s the only safeguard against attack.

        • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.todayEnglish
          6·
          29 days ago

          Typically, no one wants to die for stupid shit, especially when they are in the wrong. But when there is no consequences such as dying, a.k.a no nukes, why not go to war and take everything? There’s no morals between countries…unless enforced by nukes.

          This is why I’m pro nuclear armament of all countries.

      • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
        102·
        29 days ago

        yeah but if Israel gets them the countries they keep bombing should also get to have them. the country that jerks off to 2A somehow doesn’t think so.

        • ZeroOne@lemmy.worldEnglish
          33·
          29 days ago

          USA is at the core of the Western-Imperialist hedgemony & Israel, Japan & Pakistan gets to have them because they are Pro-Western imperialism

          • RedFrank24@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            28 days ago

            Japan doesn’t have nukes though. They don’t even allow nukes in their territory. They could make them if they wanted to, they have all the necessary industry to make them, but they don’t actually have any.

            There’s word of sharing nukes with the US, thanks to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and threatening to nuke any nation that tries to help them, but I’m not sure that’s actually gone ahead.

          • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            28 days ago

            yes. the fact that Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons and Israel and the US still went after then is proof that they should have had nuclear weapons. because guess what would happen if they did. Israel would have stayed the fuck away.

            • Shardikprime@lemmy.worldEnglish
              13·
              28 days ago

              Clearly not working, Israel and the us have them nukes and that’s not stopping Iran and Palestine from retaliation

              Or do you see them staying the fuck away?

              Because I certainly don’t

              • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                28 days ago

                lol what. yeah the parties that don’t have the nukes do retaliate when the parties with the nukes are the aggressors. Iran didn’t start a war. Palestine isn’t even involved in a war that’s just genocide.

                • Shardikprime@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  11·
                  28 days ago

                  You are clearly seeing having nukes has no effect on retaliation, so why would you insist on it?

        • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
          24·
          28 days ago

          Iran is a terrorist state run by lunatics. Them and Israel having them is even worse than Israel having them.

          • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
            41·
            28 days ago

            weird how Israel is the one that keeps invading other countries, not to mention terrorizing palestine for its entire existence.

    • allidoislietomyself@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      29 days ago

      Unfortunately the answer is pretty simple. The USA and Israel are best buddies and if the USA says their buddy can have a nuclear arsenal who is going to stand up and tell them otherwise?

  • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.mlEnglish
    604·
    29 days ago

    Few things say “you need a nuke, you need it right now” like foreign states killing your scientists, in their beds in the dead of night

      • dalekcaan@lemm.eeEnglish
        12·
        30 days ago

        It was a joke. The weapon used by Israel is secret. Jewish space lasers is a reference to an idiotic tweet by Marjorie Taylor Greene that suggested that the 2018 California wildfires were started by some global conspiracy group with an “energy-based” space weapon. The user you replied to is saying they’re going to be upset if it turns out Israel actually does have space lasers.

    • Basic Glitch@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      352·
      30 days ago

      It’s guaranteed the number of bystanders that were killed while they killed these “targets” is not zero.

    • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
      103·
      29 days ago

      or allowing israeli settlers to forcibly take palestinian homes, i saw all those videos onr eddit, where they were rushing tino areas to sieze homes.

      • chiliedogg@lemmy.worldEnglish
        285·
        29 days ago

        I don’t think there’s proof yet, but Isreal has shown zero qualms about killing innocent civilians.

        • HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish
          143·
          29 days ago

          They simply define who is innocent or a civilian. Or human. It’s quite clever.

        • sqgl@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1012·
          29 days ago

          The pager attack was pretty targeted. Very low percentage of civilians killed (unlike the percentages of Hezbollah attacks on Israel).

        • ComfortablyDumb@lemmy.caEnglish
          725·
          29 days ago

          The innocents in question are human shields being used by Hamas to protect their objectives. The suffering of those humans and children should have resulted in a massive operation to dismantle Hamas’ financial teeth. Instead hamas leaders still take all humanitarian aid and repurpose them against Israel. Qatar and Israel are the real perpetrators of this violence.

          • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            151·
            29 days ago

            No, the innocents in this case would be anyone who lived with or near the target, so their family and neighbors. It’s not like they sent in snipers to take out the one target, they sent bombs, and bombs have collateral damage.

          • iAvicenna@lemmy.worldEnglish
            131·
            28 days ago

            One of the target’s two children died in the pager attacks. Civilian casualties & injuries are not always human shields. In the case of pager attacks for instance none actually was since the attack was unexpected.

  • martin4598@lemm.eeEnglish
    361·
    29 days ago

    Marking people for assassination looks normal to the times of Israel. Nice people.