The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.
The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.
The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.
The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
Just when I feel like dystopian news can’t really disturb me anymore…
Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all…
How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:
A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target’s family, if not everyone in the apartment building.
Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.
10 assassinations of relatively innocent people simultaneously. Straight out of Walter white’s playbook when he went full villain.
Let me fix the headline - Israel commits more state sponsored terrorist attacks in neighbouring countries.
Murdered. Not killed, murdered.
Both technically true, but the way they write killed suggests it wasn’t murder in cold blood, an act of war against another country to bully and control them.
Murder.
Jesus they killed everyone in the apartment complex including their kids how is this not a war crime?!?
What is the endgame here? They certainly can’t be delusional enough to assume that killing civilians or bombing facilities will ingratiate them with the Iranian people to overthrow the government or even making the government surrender; how many more people will they radicalize through this process? How many more lives do they want to destroy? When will the middle east have peace?
The only difference between Israel and a terrorist organization is PR and budget.
I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.
There is no “international authority”. It’s all big stick politics out there. It’s like trying to go after a corporation in the US. The “punishments” when they break the law are fines, if that, and any admonishment not to fuck over the same person in the same way again.
Think about your boss shorting you $100. The “legal” process involves YEARS of waiting for a court date, a labor code interpreted heavily in favor of the employer, and at the end of the day, they get fines and maybe have to pay back what you rightfully earned in the first place.
Now think about what happens when you steal $100 from work. Immediate police involvement, possible arrest, absolute legal consequences even if you’re cleared years later, the presumption of guilt from everyone in society.
It’s even worse on a political stage. Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it’s broken. Everyone just waits around until the collective consciousness supports some sort of social consequence on the offender in question. That’s not even tying race or religion into the mix, which Israel loves to twist up into their particular brand of nationalism.
The civil world is simply too polite to call them out for all their shit. It’s a whole world full of chickenshit and I am tired of the stink.
It’s like that saying goes: “The law is the same for everyone, neither the king nor the beggar may sleep under a bridge.”
That’s BS. The king would never need to sleep under a bridge and if he chose to the police would be there to kick out the homeless people and make sure the king is safe for the night.
That’s the point of the saying. The law can be crafted to treat everyone equally, while only benefitting the king.
Edit: It’s why the billionaire media is so angry at the concept of “equity” and “wokeness”. Both terms help us beggars discuss our situation, and both might threaten the king’s throne, if we realize how simply the laws could be adjusted for what we want from them, rather than for what the king wants.
Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it’s broken.
I bet this guy knows how to play Mario Kart.
There’s a rules-based international order. We make the rules, and guess who gives the orders.
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Russia is on the security council. As far as we understand, they are part of the international organization that makes the rules
You have been playing too much rainbow six. There are no good guys in the halls of power looking after us.
There are only the rich fucks over here and the rich fucks over there pulling the levers of power.
You mean like when Gerald Bull was killed? Surely an accident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
Which is why I am sitting in disbelief that Iran could be so monumentally stupid.
Nation level retaliation would ensue. Maybe possible to do in some country matchups, but not possible in all.
This isn’t how anything works. No government cedes this kind of authority to anyone and trying to enforce it would lead to war even among allies.
The alternative is “drop bombs”.
Rounding up leaders and putting them on trial seems like a more civilized international approach than engaging in the same bloodthirsty, explosive, surprise-murder that is literally the whole problem here.
You don’t have the alternative to go into other people’s country and round up people because people will absolutely shoot any such folks then drop bomb’s on your cities and forces. It’s not my fault you are confused about what the options are.
Trying to give Iran nukes is pretty close to accompliss to mass murder. Iran is a terrorist state.
Anyone should reasonably be trying to negotiate to avoid loss of life but at the end of the day killing them may be the lesser of two evils from the perspective of the would be target.
Isreal is a terrorist state, the US is a terrorist state. Assasinating people or blowing them up on their way to work is terror. Blowing up pagers in homes while a child is bring it to daddy is terrorism.
Terrorism is internationally recognized as when a group or organization unaffiliated with a recognized government uses violence to achieve a political goal. “Terrorist state” is a contradiction in terms.
Netanyahu is leading a genocide and starting wars, all to avoid the regular democratic and legal process of Israel. Why are you carrying water for him?
They are flying jets, using drones, and even small explosives. The homes of these scientists were severely damaged. The richest countries of the world are backing Israel.
Is this just Israel putting out propaganda? These scientists thought they were safe at home. Sinister! Super secret weapon that blows up apartment buildings. Sounds revolutionary!
As usual this is teenage boy logic. They are posing with their guns as recruitment propaganda. No it’s a super secret magic cool gun from god you haven’t even heard of it because it’s so futuristic and we’re cool so not at all evil, right
I wonder how many civilians Israel killed in the process. It’s probably a lot more than 0.
or allowing israeli settlers to forcibly take palestinian homes, i saw all those videos onr eddit, where they were rushing tino areas to sieze homes.
Proof?
I don’t think there’s proof yet, but Isreal has shown zero qualms about killing innocent civilians.
They simply define who is innocent or a civilian. Or human. It’s quite clever.
They learnt from the best
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The pager attack was pretty targeted. Very low percentage of civilians killed (unlike the percentages of Hezbollah attacks on Israel).
The innocents in question are human shields being used by Hamas to protect their objectives. The suffering of those humans and children should have resulted in a massive operation to dismantle Hamas’ financial teeth. Instead hamas leaders still take all humanitarian aid and repurpose them against Israel. Qatar and Israel are the real perpetrators of this violence.
One of the target’s two children died in the pager attacks. Civilian casualties & injuries are not always human shields. In the case of pager attacks for instance none actually was since the attack was unexpected.
No, the innocents in this case would be anyone who lived with or near the target, so their family and neighbors. It’s not like they sent in snipers to take out the one target, they sent bombs, and bombs have collateral damage.
What do you need proof of? The fact that the comment is speculating? It’s not stated as fact…
How is this all normal and ok?
It’s not normal. It’s ok until the majority of America accepts what can really be done with that database Trump is having Palantir build.
Can someone try blowing up their servers? That’d be nice.
The wrong Amazon is burning
i think the military has been using thiels palintir for at least 10 years already. TRump just made it more obvious, because hes a loudmouth. thiel loved to stay out of the spotlight of the news for many reasons. everytime he was in the news, its never is good for him.
Not just the military. I found out Palantir had a contract with my own city to develop and test their predictive policing technology until 2018. https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predictive-policing-tool-new-orleans-nopd
The city banned predictive policing and facial recognition tech, then quietly lifted the ban and replaced it with a very concerning ordinance in 2022. https://thelensnola.org/2022/02/17/mayor-cantrell-moves-to-reverse-bans-on-facial-recognition-predictive-policing-and-other-surveillance-tech/
Then it came out that the city wasn’t even following the rules they had created in the sketchy ordinance. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/05/19/live-facial-recognition-police-new-orleans/
The private surveillance company using the facial recognition tech (which was created during the time Palantir was still under contract with the city, but is allegedly totally unrelated to Palantir 🙄) couldn’t keep providing the real time facial recognition tracking to city police bc WaPo exposed they were violating the ordinance. However, since it’s only a city ordinance and they’re a private company, they can still provide it to literally anyone else in the city (state police, federal agents, ICE, military).
They’ve already been doing a lot of shady shit to American citizens, and it’s naive to just trust that they won’t eventually start using these kinds of AI drone weapons on American soil.
red light cameras already using facial recognition, to catch would be “runners of red light”, LEO was already using PAlintr PRIOR TO trump announcing “all agencies must use palintir, to target democrats”
Who’s Palantir? I sort if live under a rock. Yes I looked it up. I’m asking for the general scoop.
Palantir, as you know is the all seeing stone in LOTR, THiel is obsessed with LOTR for the wrong reasons, he named several companies after lotr themes: MITHIRL, andurl, lembas,etc. Peter thiel is the funds behind AI tech that palantir uses, which is used by the military and now by Some LEO. basically a spying software with AI.
The rogue state of Israel has immunity from the US and its satellites.
It’s absolutely not okay, but since there will be no negative consequences for it whatsoever, it’s the new normal. This is sadly what happens when laws are not enforced, and I’m not sure if anything even can be done anymore…
There’s always something.
I hope so, I genuinely do.
It is “statistically” normal in that governments and corporations will always choose death because it is profitable.
It is not and never has been ok.
they have been doing this for decades, even to the point clandestine type novel stories are often written about them.
It is not.
It should be normal. People helping an evil state get nukes, deserve to die. Unfortunately what’s normal nowadays is sitting around fat and lazy and letting NK become a nuclear power.
The US gave Israel, an evil state, nuclear weapons. By your logic…
Well they were less evil back then… now I think we should cut off all support. And I think we probably would stop the donations, if it wasn’t for Iran being allied with Ruzzia.
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And everyone in their family, building, and general vicinity, and anyone in that 10% of targets who are misidentified by Palantir’s predictive policing/facial recognition tech apparently?
All’s fair in love and war.
Europeans did the genocide and took over America, in a much larger scale. Israel is just a smaller copy cat. The fact USA exists justifies what Israel does.
No it doesn’t.
Truth is hard to swallow. Regardless, people are dying anyway.
Truth is hard to swallow
Apparently Israel’s cock is not
Equating Israel to USA in its right to exist is not swallowing its cock.
They are right. Except one problem still can be solved, the other not so much. Maybe a few centuries after now somebody will think of something. Slow demographic changes and more modern weapons, that stuff.
Appreciate your optimism that Israel is a solvable problem.
Why not, “and genocide is wrong in both cases,” rather than, “and thus they’re both okay?”
Insane that there are people who actually believe this shit.
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
This bit stood out to me. Israel has been planning this war since at least November of last year. Israel’s current actions say this wasn’t a simple “what if…” contingency plan that a government comes up with. This was a plan they were going to put into action soon. Makes it even more disgusting to me.
This was clear since such a big and supposedly effective intelligence apparatus failed to stop or warn about the Hamas attack that gave Israel pretext to go full ethnic cleaning and warmongering.
They knew, they allowed it, and paid a modest price in Israeli casualties to kickstart their plan. Also, Ukraine was attracting all the war funding, they couldn’t risk USA reducing their military allowance.
I hate that USA is enabling them, and at the same time being hipocritical about wanting a peaceful solution. Cut their funding if you want to stop them. Freeze their assets like NATO did with Russia. Act, don’t talk.
It would take one phone call from the President, and the genocide would stop. Biden could have done it, and Trump still can. I don’t see the US governments unwavering support of Israel ever ending.
Who upvotes this shit? Are people here really this naive?
I don’t see how that is naive at all. We prop Israel up. If the president calls Bibi and threatens to stop all aid, unless they imposed a ceasefire, it would happen. They have so much power, tech and weaponry because we give it to them. If we pointed the barrel of the most powerful military on earth at them, they would cease immediately.
Bullshit
You’ll need to elaborate if you want to actually contribute.
The president of the US doesn’t have their hand up the PM of Israel’s ass. This is especially true of Biden who was known to be on his way out either way. We can withdraw support but its difficult for the US pres to do so unilaterally when Israel is politically popular on both side. Given the lack of power to make it stick such a phone call from Biden would have been ignored in favor of waiting for a change of regime.
There we again with the israel has superior inteligence that can’t never make mistakes bs.
Israel has many impressive operations but it doesn’t mean everything bad happen in israel is just according to a plan
Pretty sure there were reputable news articles right after Oct 7th that said that Israel’s intelligence was basically aware but decided to ignore it/dismiss it. So in this case they willfully ignored it for some reason, I wonder why…
They downplayed the threat, it’s not the first time they did just like Russia was also warned about Kursk offensive and still let it happen
Fuck, also explains why Netenyahu jumped at the opportunity as soon as he avoided having his government dissolved by vote. Fuuuuck this is so much evil bullshit.
I mean, that’s not really surprising. Every military makes plans for any contingency, and Israel especially has always been paranoid about Iran’s nuclear programme, so of course they would make sure they’re tracking the scientists in case they needed to make a move.
The disgusting part is them just pulling the trigger for political reasons instead of actual intelligence that indicates a breakout. And obviously killing civilians, which the scientists and their families are, but obviously Israel has shown in the past they don’t care about that.
Every military makes plans for any contingency,
In defense, to respond to an attack. The word contingency is important.
If the military is planning acts of aggression then that is called preparing for war.
Militaries tend to do both this things.
Only one is defensible.
Yeah, that’s definitely true for imperialist countries like Israel, the US and Russia.
netanyahu is using the aggression as a way to stave off his own criminal trials prior to him being re-elected.
They have been bombing Iran for years, OC these lunatics had these plans already.
o no! israel thwarted iran’s nuclear ambitions! the horror!!!
It’s civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.
You’re part of the problem.
o my sweet summer child…
I’m not saying they couldn’t be. I’m saying that the official body meant to oversee this has not yet put out proof that they are. So we can imagine all we want. If the professional independent watchdog that is checking for this has not officially made a statement with undeniable proof that they are, they aren’t.
Who has more insight in the matter, you or the IAEA?
It’s civilian scientists working on nuclear energy we are talking about.
Is it though? What level of enrichment do they need for a nuclear energy program, and what level of enrichment were they at? I think it’s naive to say they weren’t working on a weapon.
I’m not saying it justifies killing civilian scientists, but we ought to be honest about the why.
Where is the evidence that they are working on a weapon? There are people getting murdered because people have become brainwashed enough to just assume Iran is working on a nukes.
I’m just saying, killing civilians on the basis of assumption is a pretty terrorist move and feels very similar to how Iraq was bombed to hell by America. But hey, that’s just my 2 cents.
According to the IAEA, the Natanz site was producing uranium enriched to 60% u-235.
For electricity, you need 3-5% u-235.
That’s not an energy program, that’s a weapons program.
And it’s on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.
And it’s on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.
Okay. Don’t use your reason if you’d prefer not to. It does make me wonder though:
Do you think the killing of the civilian scientists was wrong because they were civilian scientists, or because they were ostensibly working on an energy program?
Because as I said, I’m not claiming the murders were justified, just that we ought to be honest about the why.
There are plenty making the argument that Iran needs a nuclear weapons program to prevent exactly these types of attacks. That is intellectually honest. I’m not sure where I fall on that argument, I’d rather no one have nuclear weapons (but obviously that’s not going to happen).
The difference between 5% and 60% enrichment is pretty huge. And the research and effort required to get there is neither cheap nor easy. If what they’re after is nuclear energy, there is absolutely no reason to continue risking the ire of the international community and the repeated attacks by Israel. They’ve had energy-level uranium for a very long time already.
I’m sure you still think it was a great thing we got to iraq before they set off those wmd’s
i’m sure i don’t make asinine assumptions about other people.
Iran has the right to defend themselves and israel has proven again that Iran is in need of this defense.
iran shouldn’t have funded hamas and terrorist activity around the world. Iran fucked around and now its finding out.
Iran is simply countering the terrorist state known as israel.
the terrorist state that launched a war against real terrorists after they murdered over 1200 people and took hundreds of people including children hostage.
your REAL terrorist propaganda doesn’t work on me. blocked.
Oh right, I forgot that history started on October 7th.
Yet they didn’t know about preparation for the October 7th attack?
Tinfoil hat mode: they let it happen to have a reason to raze Gaza to the ground.
(Sorry, that’s my “Bush did 9/11” moment)
No tinfoil needed, has it not been confirmed that Netanyahu was aware of the attacks and let them happen?
I don’t believe that has been confirmed, but I could be wrong.
Edit: I stand corrected.
Looked it up because I wanted to be sure…
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html
Here’s Netanyahu passing the buck:
At the very least, the information was out there and either he knew it and allowed it to happen (maybe wasn’t aware it would be that successful), or was grossly incompetent and derelict in his duties.
Thank you. The depths of that man’s evil never cease to amaze me.
The safest strategy with people like him is to assume there is no floor, and that for everyone else’s safety, he should be humanely put down on that floor next to his morality.
And I mean put down in the sense we talk about our aged pets, and I know it’s truly better than he deserves.
So Netanyahu let close to 1200 Israelis die of which 736 were civilians? Are any Israelis condemning him for that?
Yes? I gave him the benefit of the doubt when I said he didn’t realize it would be so successful. Not sure he even deserves that.
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It’s confirmed. As is Israel funding Hamas.
I never saw how that played out. I’ve seen articles that Israel escorted Quatars donations/aid/whatever you want to call it into Gaza in cash, but where was the link that it was their money as well
Surely this will work wonders, they’ll never recover from this. Also they won’t have any incentive, because why would you even consider building a bomb in such a friendly environment? Why would there need to be an axis of resistance, let them surrender unconditionally like Trump suggested, because clearly Israel and the US are to be trusted. If only these damned Iranians remained at the negotiating table while we bombed the shit out of them unprovoked. I guess they don’t want peace. /s
- what a stupid fucking name
- why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
- why does no one ask question 2
- Why is it ok for them to assassinate civilians?
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Why not?
Daily on Lemmy there are thousands of calls to murder X or Y person who doesn’t agree with collectivist ideology.
Why would it be different for them?
Are they in the room with us right now?
Sure, just check the modlog, there is thousands of murder calls and violent action calls erased everyday. That’s the ones that get reported.
I feel comfortable saying no one here is surprised in the slightest by the level of violent discourse shared in here on Lemmy
Why does anyone get to have nuclear weapons?
Because once you have them, who’s going to try to take them away?
In 1994, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia.
A huge mistake, apparently
Yeah, seems like the lesson is build nukes at all costs, as it’s the only safeguard against attack.
Also see Libya’s nuclear program.
Typically, no one wants to die for stupid shit, especially when they are in the wrong. But when there is no consequences such as dying, a.k.a no nukes, why not go to war and take everything? There’s no morals between countries…unless enforced by nukes.
This is why I’m pro nuclear armament of all countries.
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or does it?
This is the dumbest possible position because it maximizes the chance that they are used. There is no reason to think mad working was likely amongst a few actors and it almost failed repeatedly. There is even less reason to suppose it scales.
If they do need to be used anyway, then it was perhaps for the best.
shut up
Your mod history tells me you aren’t worth knowing. Blocked.
yeah but if Israel gets them the countries they keep bombing should also get to have them. the country that jerks off to 2A somehow doesn’t think so.
should?
Wait what
yes. the fact that Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons and Israel and the US still went after then is proof that they should have had nuclear weapons. because guess what would happen if they did. Israel would have stayed the fuck away.
Clearly not working, Israel and the us have them nukes and that’s not stopping Iran and Palestine from retaliation
Or do you see them staying the fuck away?
Because I certainly don’t
lol what. yeah the parties that don’t have the nukes do retaliate when the parties with the nukes are the aggressors. Iran didn’t start a war. Palestine isn’t even involved in a war that’s just genocide.
You are clearly seeing having nukes has no effect on retaliation, so why would you insist on it?
Iran is a terrorist state run by lunatics. Them and Israel having them is even worse than Israel having them.
weird how Israel is the one that keeps invading other countries, not to mention terrorizing palestine for its entire existence.
USA is at the core of the Western-Imperialist hedgemony & Israel, Japan & Pakistan gets to have them because they are Pro-Western imperialism
Japan doesn’t have nukes though. They don’t even allow nukes in their territory. They could make them if they wanted to, they have all the necessary industry to make them, but they don’t actually have any.
There’s word of sharing nukes with the US, thanks to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and threatening to nuke any nation that tries to help them, but I’m not sure that’s actually gone ahead.
See Budapest Memorandum
Because you don’t wanna be an antisemite, do you? /s
Unfortunately the answer is pretty simple. The USA and Israel are best buddies and if the USA says their buddy can have a nuclear arsenal who is going to stand up and tell them otherwise?
Wait these genocidal idiots really called it “Operation Narnia”?
wtf
vomits on ground
This would be disgusting if it was just a normal act of war, of killing soldiers and calling it a cute name like this to disguise how any war is a tragedy, but there is a much more serious red flag here about Israel and Israeli society, this shows a blatant disregard for the humanity of these SCIENTISTS by assassinating them and making a joke out of it about sending them to dream land. Not only is this murder, the motive is a blatant lie, Iran was not developing a nuclear weapon that is undeniable and unarguable based on the overwhelming evidence.
If you still think that Israel and the US aren’t coming for science, freedom of thought and peace in general you are a fool. I live in the heart of this dying empire, the US, and let me tell you, they are coming for you if you are a scientist, run or fight, either is fine but pick one soon before it is too late.
