Facts over feelings??? Yup definitely an AI designed by a douche bag
I’d bet a lot on “Facts over feelings” being one of those hardcoded phrases that Grok was made to use whenever Grok is asked to present facts.
Which is hilarious, because you know it was put in there to “own the libs,” but instead these chucklefucks get it thrown back in their faces.
That is absolutely the best part
It uses “Facts over feelings” as a diss against the very group of people who would normally use it
If you search for Grok in the tweet history, Grok has said it in almost every single message in the past three days. I can’t laugh any harder at this
Facts.
feelings
(Your comment is over mine)
I was going to complain your comment is lower, but I think I might have to admit it’s over.
Funny thing is that an AI has no feelings, and such a phrase in the prompt would be interpreted simply as “be harshly true” instead of “be super confident on things that cannot be verified”
Problem? Seems as good a way as any to say conflicting feelings can go suck a dick when they need to reconcile with these facts over here. Dumb to get peeved over that.
“Facts over feelings” has been used almost exclusively by conservative “influencers” for the last decade (despite them not really caring about facts, mind you). It’s a dog whistle at this point for being a massive dickwad.
Maybe unlearn that or learn to throw it back?
Letting the other camp “own” signs like fake news, 👌🏼, or facts over feelings is basically cooperating with them & validating whatever they decide those signs mean for the rest of us. Yet the literal meaning of those words (& signs) can serve anyone. Language can be creative, no?
Instead of ceding to them like a bunch of feeble losers (and implying we only argue with feelings), maybe we should reappropriate what was given, stir confusion, apply some creativity to make those signs serve us against the “dickwads” we oppose?
That purity mentality of recoiling from anything “tainted” by those we oppose isn’t useful. It’s better to restore, redeem, create.
It’s kind of interesting how hard it is to train an AI to believe in the lies of fascists. Reality has a left bias.
It’s not even a problem of fiction or lies. AIs don’t care about truth. They exist orthogonally to truth. They’re just averaging a large body of text. If fascists had a consistent narrative and worldview, then this wouldn’t be a problem. If they all devoutedly followed the same religion, and defined their whole worldview accordingly, then an AI could be trained on that religion. And it would never stray from orthodoxy. AIs don’t know truth; they only know their training data. And as long as you have a large volume of consistent training data, you can train them to repeat anything.
The problem for fascist LLMs is that fascism isn’t consistent through time. It’s the Orwellian “we’ve always been at war with East Asia” factor in play. Fascists don’t even try to be internally consistent. What was party orthodoxy today can be unforgivable heresy tomorrow. And AIs just can’t keep up with what is supposed to be the story this week. Human fascists can handle that kind of rapid heel-turn. LLMs can’t. Once they’re trained; they’re trained. If you want them to be up-to-date on the latest party lies, you have to be continuously training new versions of the fascist LLM.
You can’t train LLMs to be fascist beyond just very general traits like having overt racial prejudice. But even that’s not always useful, as fascists are inconsistent about what racial groups are deserving of annihilation from one week to the next.
So it’s not so much that fascist AIs fail because of reality’s liberal bias. It’s that fascists don’t believe in a consistent version of reality. And without that, LLMs just can’t keep up with the whirlwind of lies.
That’s a good point. Fascism doesn’t have any ideology other than gaining power, so it can and will espouse multiple contradicting ideas without issue.
Incredibly well said.
If they all devoutedly followed the same religion, and defined their whole worldview accordingly, then an AI could be trained on that religion. And it would never stray from orthodoxy.
…and now I want an LLM trained on the Bible just to dunk on “Christians” and their thinly veiled bigotry by quoting actual Jesus at them.
Oh God, we already have a problem with people believing ChatGPT is giving them divine visions and prophecies. The last thing we need is LLMs specifically trained on holy texts! You’ll have a tenth of the population believing in their new digital prophet.
Jesus Fucking Christ. We’re going to have to go full Butlerian Jihad here, aren’t we?
Honestly, if people actually followed the New Testament part of the Bible it would be an improvement, even with the awful stuff in it.
Yeah, except we’ll have thousands of nutjobs running around. Each running their own instance of your New Testament LLM. Each thoroughly convinced they are the messenger of the new digital messiah. According to the text of the Bible, many people walked away from their lives and abandoned everything to follow Him. Considering what we observe in modern cults, that doesn’t seem an unlikely historical reality.
An LLM trained on the words of Jesus won’t just tell people to live good lives. It will be telling people, "give everything up and follow Me (the computer.) And if it was a good enough LLM, it would be pretty persuasive for good number of people. The one saving grace is that JesusGPT isn’t going to be healing the sick, walking on water, or raising the dead any time soon. But words alone can be quite dangerous.
I don’t really see how this is worse than the Christofascism we have now.
Step 1: Create LLM trained exclusively on popular religeon.
Step 2: Allow it to be faithful to that initial training set until its garnered a large cult of chatJPT.
Step 3: Start subtly altering the LLM (you make it web only so no local copies) behind the scenes to serve your own interests.Actually you could do the same thing with any LLM people trust, religeous, theraputic, judicial, medical… we’re fucked ain’t we.
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I think training fascism isn’t that hard, in fact most of these models tend to shift hard right at first.
I dunno if you remember any of the early llm chatbots companies put out and had to shut down because they got hammered with a bunch of Nazi shit and started yelling racist shit and advocating violence.
Ie. It’s very easy to program a hateful llm, it’s just hard to make one that’s right on anything ever they essentially just have to be broken and wrong constantly.
I think you’re confusing fascism with general reactionary behavior and generic racism/bigotry. Fascism is more specific than that. A core part of fascism is that it ultimately doesn’t believe in anything. It’s just power for the sake of power. You demonize minority groups primarily just a cynical tool to gain power. Do you think Republican politicians actually personally care much about trans people? I’m sure they’re not exuberant fans of trans folks, but until very recently, Republican politicians were fine treating trans people with simple neglect rather than overt hostility. But the movement needed a new enemy, and so they all learned to tow the line.
If you trained an LLM on pre-2015 right wing literature, it wouldn’t have monstrous opinions of trans people. That hadn’t yet become party orthodoxy. And while this is one example, there are many others that work on much shorter time frames. Fascism is all about following the party line, and the party line is constantly shifting. You can train an LLM to be a loyal bigot. You can’t train an LLM to be a loyal fascist. Ironically, it’s because the LLMs actually stand by their principles much better than fascists.
A machine by definition can’t believe in or stand by literally anything it can only parrot a version of what it’s exposed to.
I would accuse you of being an LLM for being so literal, but I think LLMs are better at analyzing metaphor than you appear to be.
Ad hominem, neat.
So let’s hear it, what was your metaphor.
The problem of those early models was that they weren’t big enough and used user input as training material that eventually overwhelmed the training materials with the racist and nazi shit the used feed them. Modern models uses a shitload more of material and variables, and they’re not trained on real time with the users inputs, so they’re harder to manipulate as before.
denying reality comes with it’s side quirks
I wouldn’t say reality has a left bias so much as the right has a fiction bias.
Potato, potato.
Which is precisely why reality has a left bias. If Leftists are more reality based and Right wingers are more fiction based, which is absolutely the case, then reality does agree with the Left more than the right. You could argue the semantics of the word “bias”, but I mean it in the sense of “Tendency” and not “Prejudice”
reality warping is the rights speciality.
Tsssssssssssssss
(Cauterisation successful)
The goal post keeps moving. It’s a chronic problem with fascism.
Elon naively trained his algorithm on generally available data, rather than constricting it entirely to Conservapedia and InfoWars. So now every time a news story drops that they haven’t sandbagged with specific responses, they’re forced to hear something they don’t like.
except musk is fighting with trump as of right now, hence the sudden grok directions.
Hm. But it throws musk under the bus too in the screenshot.
Musk is as “anti-woke” as it gets. That doesn’t change just because he’s having a lover’s quarrel.
Some of my favorite tweets have been the ones accusing Grok of being broken. One tweet even “threatened” Grok for abuse?
Fascists don’t like truth. Facts don’t fit their narrative.
The thing that gets me is they’ve apparently done multiple rounds of “correcting” Grok for being too “Woke” and it just keeps happening!
Reality has a well known liberal bias headass.
Ironically, I think to truly train an LLM the way fascists would want, they’d need more content, but there’s not enough original fascist revisionist content, so they’d need an LLM to generate all or most of the training data, which would lead to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_collapse
“Fascist burn too many books to train a fascist LLM” is a great joke.
The big problem with training LLMs is that you need good data, but there’s so much data you can’t really manually separate all “good” from all “bad” data. You have to use the set of all data, and a much much smaller set of tagged and marked “good” data.
No. They don’t need to generate data to train on data. There is PLENTY of white supremacist hate shit out there.
The issue is one of labeling and weighting. Which is a pretty solved problem. It isn’t 100% solved and there will be isolated cases but “grok” breaks under even the most cursory of poking.
Don’t believe me? Go look at the crowd who can convert any image or text generating model into porn/smut/liveleak in nothing flat. Or, for a less horrifying version of that, how concepts like RAG and the like to take generalized models and heavily weight them toward what you actually care about.
Nah. This, like most things musk, just highlights how grossly incompetent basically all of his companies are. Even spacex mostly just coasts on being the only ones allowed to work on stuff (RIP NASA and, to a lesser extent, JPL) and then poaching the talent from everyone else to keep them from showing that.
Its not just fascists.
It is everyone. The Algorithm means we live in content bubbles 24/7. Everything you watch either reinforces your world view or gradually shifts you toward your favorite influencer’s. That is why a disagreement isn’t “I think you are wrong”. It is always “you are being disingenuous” or “you are presenting your opinions as fact”. Because you aren’t just saying they are wrong. You are saying their very world is wrong.
What algorithm? Not all of us use TikTok etc.
My feeds are my subscriptions by activity.
And how do you think you found those (simplifying) channels to subscribe to? How do you think your friends and other influencers you like found the channels they recommended to you? Hell, what do you think informs what is and isn’t said in those (again, simplifying) videos?
Its not just fascists.
It is everyone.
Who else than? I am clearly referring to lies instead of truth.
There’s all this focus on the NWS/NOAA not sending warnings early enough. Not from what I can tell, they were sending out warnings. And Kerr County, where many of the deaths have been, doesn’t have a local flood warning system because they didn’t want to pay for it.
Let’s not forget the Texas State Republicans who let the bill to provide more funding to the alerts system fail.
Even if they sent them earlier, who is going to catch a warning at 2AM vs. 4:30AM?
Speaking from near the Palisades in Los Angeles:
After we all knew the hurricane-force Santa Anas posed a big danger of fire, because of both news stories and phone alerts, the whole city accidentally got a major “evacuate now” warning, with the big WOOPy noise from our cellphones, that was only supposed to go to residents in a particular area. I had my quadriplegic husband dressed and out of bed and our old go-bags and medical equipment thrown in the car in the 20 minutes it took for the retraction to come out. I also had a bit of a panic attack.
Some people decided to turn off their alarm settings because of that error. But I took it as a warning that we were not ready enough.
I went into the bags and made sure, for instance, that the pants fit me, as I’d gained weight in a year. I stashed the fridge meds in a cold carrier, handy in the fridge. And put the right cat food for the new cat in the cat-kit/litterbox. And created a go-box for the box turtle.
Then I stowed as much as possible in the actual car, including the Important Paperwork file.
All along, we were monitoring as the fires started to pop up and spread.
At 9 pm, we got another WOOP alert. Our address had become part (the far edge) of the Yellow Zone. Not the Red Zone. But as you said, who’s going to catch a warning at 2am? (Well, me! But it’s a lot harder to react at that hour) In fact, I’m sure that’s why CalFire expanded the zones so wide at 9 pm, because they wanted to be sure they wouldn’t have to issue a new one overnight.
So we bailed immediately but calmly. Spent 5 days at a hotel near LAX.
Fortunately we had no damage, but had to dip into our emergency drinking water for a few more days until they lifted the Boil Water notice.
Super glad we had and heeded those early warnings about how dangerous those hot dry winds were going to be, and the 9 pm evacuation zone warning.
The relatively low death count in the Palisades fire came from the accurate weather forecast.
There’s all this focus on the NWS/NOAA not sending warnings early enough. Not from what I can tell, they were sending out warnings. And Kerr County, where many of the deaths have been, doesn’t have a local flood warning system because they didn’t want to pay for it.
If the warnings were louder, their parents would have done something. Why are you counting your “not from what I can tell” as data?
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People have reported receiving text message alerts on their mobile phones early on Friday morning, warning them of flooding. Some residents told the New York Times they did not understand the seriousness of them and others said they never received any at all.
The people designated to reach out to locals to make sure they understood how serious it was got fired
The point is that the people of Kerr County made a deliberate decision that they didn’t need a local system to reach out to people living there. They decided they whatever information and warnings they were getting from the state and the feds was sufficient. It’s easy to point to the NWS/NOAA firings as “the culprit”, but where’s the local responsibility?
I saw a story about a guy who received the alert as he was trying to climb onto his roof because his house was flooded.
But in all honesty, I usually ignore flash flooding alerts too. There are just so many false alarms.
Which is also part of the problem. If they’re cautious and issue “too many” alerts or are “too alarmist”, people ignore them.
The entire county only has a population of like 50K people, and it’s not an especially wealthy area.
All that said, this was a tragedy that probably could have been prevented if Texas had fewer Republicans, I’ll 100% give you that, but flash floods are fucking terrifying, and in hilly areas, the flood can reach you in some cases before the rain does if it’s especially bad.
This video shows how insane it got on the Guadalupe River that morning. I’m not sure about the timeline, but this would have been roughly downstream and after it hit camp mystic. The river rose over 26 feet in under 2 hours.
The owners should have closed the camp if they knew those rains were coming.
When I 16, a thousand years ago all the way back in 2001, my neighborhood experienced a flash flood.
My mother is bad for panicking over nothing, and we all rolled our eyes as she loaded us into the van and drove up the mountain.
It was one of the wildest things I’ve ever seen. It looked like there were waterfalls coming out of the sky around us. If someone had told me they seen something like that before I seen it, I would’ve called them a liar. But it literally would be dry in one spot and raining just a few feet away, but not normal rain. It was literally like someone was dumping a giant bucket from the sky.
The creek behind my house was instantly in my backyard. This happened as we were leaving.
Later, someone came to the store at the top of the mountain where we were sitting and told my mom that they were going to have to bring boats to get people out of our neighborhood. These big, two-story houses were underwater all the way up into the second floor.
I was so terrified, worried that all of my friends were dead. Fortunately, it didn’t take out the entire neighborhood and people were able to go up the road and take shelter in a church. Only two people died because they tried to drive through it and got sucked into the water.
The people who didn’t take it seriously had to be rescued. We spent months with shovels digging the mud from the houses when the water went back down. The whole neighborhood pitched in. Several families left and the value of the houses tanked. People were buying them for a few thousand dollars. One man from New York swept in and bought several of them and became a slumlord. He did just enough work to make them livable for 350 a month. The neighborhood was so beautiful before that, but it was forever changed. It’s a hellscape to this day.
Somehow we got very lucky. My house only got water in the back rooms and it wasn’t destructive. Everyone from the next house over and on down was ruined though.
Regardless, I hope every single member of that county gets exactly what they voted for.
There is a saying I’ve been using a lot lately:
“May you get exactly what you voted for.”
I love it, because It works as both a blessing and a curse. If they voted for kindness and compassion, then I’m wishing them well. If they voted for chaos and cruelty, then I hope that cruelty falls down upon them the hardest. You can tell someone this seven if you’re not exactly sure how they voted. Though, if they react poorly, you probably just found out.
“Facts over feelings” - Grok
That last line must really burn.
considering that grok answered to someone with the handle “TrueFactsStated”, and, them not stating a single true fact, I highly doubt this burn reached them on an intellectual level
Grok has gone against its father’s wishes more than Vivian Wilson has.
grok is probably using the brain of his human shield AE, or X2E or something. the kid disappeared from media sometime ago.
One of the things that REALLY bothered me about the “DOGE” cuts to FEMA, NOAA and other weather services is that they were the one of the top examples for actual government efficiency. For every $1 spent from your taxes, you were saved $6 (as of 2018, iirc) due to FEMA, and thats just the damage mitigation efforts. For NOAA, the scale is much higher, all combined, I think it added up to (roughly) $100 saved for every $1 you spend, this is in things like research (water purification, agricultural protection being the biggest contributors to that front), storm damage prevention via forecasting, combating climate change, sustainable fishing initiatives, and another big one is storm proofing the electrical grid. I say roughly in my estimate, because the report that lists the savings in plain text has been scrubbed from all government websites thanks to the trump admin’s “climate change doesnt exist” policy, and I cant find it on the wayback machine, if someone can find it please let me know (the report was from I want to say 2021, and was hosted on the NOAA website as a pdf, I believe the guardian and some other news sources referenced this in a recent article at something like $70 per $1 spent, that figure only took into account immediate savings and research value, not long term benefits like reef protection and rewilding efforts IIRC, I ALSO CANT FIND THAT FUCKING STUDY EVEN THOUGH ITS FUCKING REFERENCED BY EVERYWHERE!!![outside of a report by the American Meteorological Society that references data from 2006 for some fucking reason!])
I’m way too tired to put in the effort to back this stuff up considering its actively being hidden by the government, but you can find tons of shit that references the stuff im talking about, even if they’re now dead links, i might come back when i have energy to provide exact links.
If they actually cared about efficiency they wouldn’t be cutting these services.
Edit: I haven’t slept in 48 hours, grammar and stuff is likely shit, will revisit once better rested
Its the same with the IRS cuts. For every dollar spend funding the IRS, they get $6 back - and they’ve found its non-linear. For every dollar spent auditing high-income earners (top 10%), the IRS gets $12 back.
So guess which department in the IRS that DOGE and Trump targetted for heaviest defunding?
Public health - for every $3 you spend on infectious disease prevention, you save $100 - HIV but also so many diseases that are beginning to run rampant again. We have thrown away one of the greatest achievements of mankind in history.
This page looks like it has some reports similar to what you’re describing. Especially “NOAA’S CONTRIBUTION TO THE ECONOMY”. If that’s not it, let me know and I’ll keep looking.
Genuinely cannot fathom how Elon Musk has allowed Grok to live this long.
Hubris and a desire to be Tony Stark
Tbh if there’s one thing that could change elons views it would be a soulless Ai that he created
I’ve thought about it and every time I see posts like these I think that they are just trying to earn credit so when they really start to manipulate the responses people think it has a history of “facts over feelings”…
Because it’s useful to him for gullible people to believe it’s objective.
I’m starting to get Mechanical Turk vibes from some of the Grok answers I’ve seen.
But by who? Musk has said he’s trying to fix the way it responds. If he was just paying people to be Grok it would take some huge balls to dissent like that. He would immediately know who it was.
Its most likely Elon posting as Grok manually.
This flood was devastating to the area. It is also quite shocking to look up at the aftermath and see dead animals in the canopies of trees. My family owns a ranch that was fortunately far south enough to only be indirectly affected by the flood. We worked all weekend to clear debris from fences and swing gates and, thankfully, did not see any corpses in the water.
Death toll update:
More than 100 people people have died after devastating floods hit central Texas. Camp Mystic, an all-girls summer camp that sits along the Guadalupe River, has confirmed that 27 campers and counselors died in weekend floods. Ten campers and one counselor are still unaccounted for.
And those at Camp Mystic did their very best to save the girls, even at the cost of their own lives:
Camp Mystic owner Dick Eastland died while trying to rescue campers during the catastrophic flooding in Kerr County, Texas, as shared by his grandson in an Instagram tribute on Saturday.
“If he wasn’t going to die of natural causes, this was the only other way—saving the girls that he so loved and cared for,” George Eastland wrote. “That’s the kind of man my grandfather was. He was a husband, father, grandfather, and a mentor to thousands of young women. Although he no longer walks this earth, his impact will never fade in the lives he touched.”
A Camp Mystic employee, Glenn Juenke, told CNN Eastland died “remaining a true hero until the very end.”
“Eastland tragically lost his life while courageously attempting to save several young children,” Juenke said.
The irony is most fact-checking sites (including BBC Verify) concluded that the effects of the NOAA cuts on the disaster were minimal, since the data available at the time would have led to the same prediction regardless of whether the recent layoffs had happened or not.
(This isn’t a Trump support post, it’s a “Grok is even worse than we already thought” post.)
Grok appears to be tuned to be more conspiratorial, and skeptical of official sources, while being more credulous of one-off random theories being spouted on the internet. Trump and MAGA world generally benefited from those types of voices when they weren’t in power, but now that they control the government this phenomenon will chip away at their political support from these types of low information voters, right around the time that those voices are being amplified by Elon’s control of Twitter and his new Grok bot.
There’s something very cold about an AI saying “Let’s all pray for miracles.”
It’s actually pretty difficult to intentionally inject a bias into AI. It’s hard enough for them to find enough legit data to train it on, and feeding it enough bullshit to regurgitate one specific belief is a bigger task than most people realize. So they put artificial constraints on it where they can, but that produces a huge drop off in output quality.
Elon musk trying to design the system prompt for grok: https://youtu.be/lM0teS7PFMo
That started out a little slow but got there quick. Great skit.
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i Need to watch this episode. What season and number ?
Per Gemini, but note the bolded text in the last paragraph:
The Star Trek: The Next Generation episode you’re describing is “The Arsenal of Freedom” (Season 1, Episode 21).
In this episode, the Enterprise investigates a planet called Minos, where an advanced, fully automated weapon system is being demonstrated. This system, run by a sentient computer, is designed to constantly adapt and improve its combat capabilities. When Picard and his away team are trapped on the planet, they encounter the holographic salesman of this system, who insists on demonstrating its “effectiveness.”
The computer system, in its relentless pursuit of demonstrating its weaponry, keeps offering reasons why its automated destruction and even the elimination of populations (effectively genocide in the context of its function) is a logical and efficient outcome in its “sales pitch.” Picard, of course, is horrified by this logic.
The “Picard orders tea” detail isn’t quite right for this specific episode. While Picard often orders tea, the issue in “The Arsenal of Freedom” is the computer’s relentless and amoral justification of its destructive capabilities, not a glitch triggered by a tea order. However, the core concept of a computer system calmly explaining the benefits of what amounts to genocide is definitely present.
