• M137@lemmy.today
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      Reading your comment gave me whiplash from the cultural difference of James Bond and a trendy word with 12 year olds from 5 years ago. Every generation will have words that are popular and a few of those are fine, anyone using the word “fire” like you have is absolutely not one of those, especially now when you couldn’t even blame it on trying to be trendy. It was always an excruciatingly “I’m 9 years old and trying to sound cool” word and you should cringe qqt yourself for the rest of your life for not realising that.

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    If, and only if, no one ever references the rest of the Bond canon jokingly. Everyone just plays it perfectly straight. No nods at the camera, nothing. Just like we all looked past the Bond actor changing in the past, everyone is just like “Yeah. That’s Bond.”

    Hell, have her leave flowers at Tracy’s grave.

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      It’s anachronistic that this is still a part of it, but womanizing is integral to bond- Daniel Craig pulled it off without the chauvinism from earlier Bonds, but still seduces women like nobody’s business. A woman turning twinks is a different kind of problematic, and is not really identifiable for the core audience of Bond fans.

      Straight men can identify with at least one party in the situations of someone relentlessly seducing women or a woman relentlessly seducing straight men. I could see the latter working on that level, but there’s a lot of cultural baggage that comes with a woman pursuing sex with men, and that might distract from the rest of the movie. We can only get rid of barriers by breaking them down, but I don’t know if it would be as commercially successful :|

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        not really identifiable for the core audience of Bond fans

        Ahhh… I forgot the part where we’ve stopped talking about weirdness for the sake of weirdness and started talking about profits.

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          Oh, I mean, yeah, if we’re just talking about what would be fun, I’d honestly prefer if she were incredibly attractive inadvertently and Mr. Magoo seduced a bunch of all kinds of people without intending to or noticing. I do think the idea in the post would actually be makeable though, and I think that would be lost without womanizing.

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    I haven’t been to the theaters in a decade or more, but I would show up to see Tig Notaro as Bond. Or maybe Leslie Jones?

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      I was confused. Then I realised I was thinking of Leslie Nielsen.

      Guys. We should get Leslie Nielsen to play James Bond.

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      Tig Notaro was one of the only good parts of some of the modern Star Trek shows. But, she’d be an absolutely awful Bond. It might be fun for a 5 minute sketch comedy parody of Bond, but for a full 90 minute movie it would be terrible.

      Her defining trait as a comedian is her deadpan delivery. Bond has a dry sense of humour, but that’s very different from a deadpan affect. He’s also extremely charming and charismatic, which doesn’t work well with a deadpan delivery.

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        or… just Judy Gemstone?

        “The name’s Bond. Judy Bond. I have regular woman panties where the string goes up my crack. I have tits. I do sex. I’m carvin’ my own path.”

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      I was thinking Phoebe Waller-Bridge. she’s already associated with the franchise as a writer, and works with Amazon as a producer, and a lot of her work involves problematic queer women. didn’t see the new Indiana Jones she was in, so idk how she is as an action actor, but if she’s half decent I think she could pull it off

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    I’d totally watch this in theaters. Also hot. But also fuck vodka martinis. Toxic lesbian James bond would drink pure gin, call it a martini and the only thing she’s eaten that day is about 30 olives and some pussy. She may have some olive juice in her gin solely to make a pass at the bartender by calling it dirty.

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    This, but make it a new IP. Not to “protect” the integrity of the Bond franchise, but because I just want to watch something without being reminded of a different thing.

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    Screw that, make Modesty Blaise

    • Is her own character, so wouldn’t get labeled “the female James Bond.”

    • Has a cooler back story than James Bond

    • Has a cool cast of supporting characters

    • Is canonically awesome at martial arts, but will use guns when pressed

    • Already has a bunch of books and comics to use as source material

    • Has at least as many sexual adventures as Bond

    • Has a long-time male partner with whom she is emphatically not in a romantic relationship or a Will-they-won’t-they situation

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      This why not make new franchises instead of gender sealing a character. There are so many stories out there why tell he same ones just gender or race swapped. Tell new ones that feature the gender or race you want.

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        It makes chuds annoyed. And that’s about as good a reason to do anything! I’m all for race and gender-swapped Bond!

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        The reason why the industry regurgitates IP is because the general public and the industry are lazy as fuck.

        You could make a brand new super hero but it won’t be as popular as retelling the Batman origin story for the 30th time.

        Same goes for James Bond. I personally think if they want to continue that universe, and introduce a female spy as lead. Just create a new character, give her the number 005, and make the damn movie. I don’t want a 007 Jane Bond but I’m down with a 005 Jane Smithe. Retrofit some shit about James training her before he died. Put Craig in flashbacks or something, and go from there. Hell, you could even make it Moneypenny. In the universe they had a working relationship, she worked in the field with Bond in the previous movies, and maybe she is promoted to 005 after he died. The first movie could be her transition to spydom, learning the ropes, getting promoted, and stumbling into some super villain storyline - which isn’t fully resolved at the end for the next movie. I’d totally watch Naomie Harris as 005 kicking ass and taking names.

        Of course you know that won’t happen. They’ll do the bullshit they did in No Time to Die.

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    One deeply underrated aspect of this post is a woman taking the name James. Women have taken Leslie, and Ashley, and so many other names. But James, an apostle, the brother of Christ! If this can happen, then women can take Paul, even Peter. Because why not!

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      I think he’s quite arguably too old now, but holy fuck he would have been perfect

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      I really liked Daniel Craig’s bond but I wish they would have cast Henry Cavill instead. A younger Idris Elba is a bit of a no-brainer but too bad the bond franchise isn’t handled well (at least in my opinion).

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      Nothing against Daniel Craig as Bond, I think he fit the part. I think some of the movies weren’t great for plot instead. I would’ve loved Elba to have been the next one when Craig first said he was done. Maybe Michael B Jordan now or Jamie Foxx back then as well. Bond in his 30s makes more sense in my head unless age is a specific plot point like Bruce Wayne in Batman beyond, but that starts complicating the 007 transfer a little on the nose for the franchise.

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        Daniel Craig was good for a certain era of Bond.

        He came in after Austin Powers thoroughly skewered them. After that they had to go back to a more realistic Bond.

        I think Idris Elba would have had the unique ability to fit into either the more modern, more realistic Bond character, or into the classical Girls and Gadgets Bond era. In Luther he was basically almost playing a realistic version of Bond.

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    Take the ambition, but not by stealing the name.

    Most “female version of” media I’ve seen ends up being derided, in Marvel, in games, etc. Take the fun concepts you’d feel from seeing this Bond parody, and ideally use it to build up a fresh, cohesive character from scratch - an experienced spy who gets chewed out by her superiors for getting drunk on the job and banging too many women, but gets the job done well.

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        But why though? Bond is an essentially masculine character. If masculinity is what you want, may as well have a man play the part. If a fundamental change in the character is what you want, may as well just create another character. That then frees you up to form the character in the most honest and creative way instead of being tied to an existing franchise just to get those $$$

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          Because the concept of “masculinity” and “femininity” is at its core made up, so by just swapping in a woman and keeping everything the same you’re showing a massive middle finger to gender stereotypes and roles.

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            …not necessarily. Some of these gender specific features are made up, but some of them have been hardwired into us by sex selection.

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            Sure it would, but it wouldn’t ring true. James Bond is a product of a patriarchal culture. I don’t believe a woman in the same position would be treated the same and ultimately become the same person. I can see it as an exercise in what-if, like Bridgerton, but once again, that’s a whole new world and hence new character in that case.

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              Meh every bond is different, like talk about whiplash look at Sean Connery to Pierce Brosnan. I think the formula works just as well with whatever actor you throw at it. Daniel Craig was probably more off tone than this idea imo.

              It’s ok if you just don’t personally like the idea of a woman bond. It doesn’t have to be like a fundamental truth of film that Bond can only be played by Scottish tough guys or whatever.

              Personally I find the idea exciting and would love to see the attempt.

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                Yeah this sort of thing is just a bit annoying to me. Having thought about it more I think the real problem I have with it, is it’s always sold with the idea of showing that women can do anything men can do, but then the result is crap and the whole franchise dies so the actual message is the opposite. You had a franchise made popular by men, it’s handed over to a woman… aaand it’s dead. Which isn’t even a true picture because:

                a) it’s usually a franchise that ran out of ideas anyway so casting a woman was just a desperate shark jumping moment that was the final nail in the coffin, and

                b) the reason it was crap is usually not because a woman did it, but rather a female version of male character type show/movie is warmed up leftovers, not the sort of project that gets handled by the best creative talent.

                I just wish there were more interesting and inspiring characters that were actually written for women in the first place, instead of trying to put women in the worn out shoes of men.

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                  I agree stunt casting can be used to paper over a weak movie, I just don’t view ethnicity/race/gender/sex as critical to most huge franchise movies.

                  I agree that executed poorly it will be bad and unsatisfying. But if they’re out of ideas and shark jumping going with the same sex again won’t make the movie any better.

                  I truly think we’re in personal preference territory here

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              I don’t know why, but if they make a Bond movie, make the entire script for a man and cast a woman into it I think it’d be just as good as with a man or better. Having a woman do Bond stuff is less expected so it’d feel fresh.

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      The line, this line, I just see as arbitrary.

      We already cast different actors to play Bond. They’re already quite physically different. They have different accents. Craig looks to me like he was hit by a truck, contrasted to Brosnan.

      Why exactly is it OK to cast across many dimensions but gender is the “bad line”?

      I have my own answer, and that whenever Hollywood does this, they just can’t write the character as a woman. Like, thier idiot writers and algorithms and focus groups and marketing departments just fuck it up every time, just assfuck the source material with the express goal of buzz.

      But this post?? They GET it. If OP had creative control, I’m genuinely ok with it.

      I don’t have issues with different actors playing characters. They just have to be written in a way that respects the characters and by extension the fans.

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      Or an ace James Bond who isn’t distracted by tits and dicks and just does his fucking job. Still a raging alcoholic because ace tho.

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      Including the villains, with equally cheesy name-based gags.

      “I see they don’t call you ‘blo’-feld for nothing ;)”