1). Society tells women they need to do things “preventively” to avoid becoming hideous goblins in a few years. That’s why you see 22 year olds getting Botox - they have been told they have to start paying NOW to avoid wrinkles
2). Hollywood and entertainment media have normalized unrealistic standards. And you can’t become a newcomer in that space without conforming to the employable look
3). Gossip media loves to pick apart any millimetre of fat (“Is ______ pregnant? Click to see her baby bump!”) or photo taken in bad lighting (“What is wrong with ______ ‘s health, click to see what our medical specialists have to say”). And then they love to chastise people after they give into plastic surgery (“Click to see ______’s terrible nose job, why DID she do it??”)
Billions of dollars are made making women feel shitty. Nobody is going to let that cash go because morals.
This meme is part of the system here as well.
No one in this thread is complaining about ugly women getting these procedures done. They want women to be attractive, but only on their terms.
Fuck the patriarchy. All my homies hate the patriarchy.
Yes it’s irritating that society can celebrate the good qualities of men who aren’t physically attractive (sense of humour, intelligence, kindness, etc.) but has such trouble accepting that a woman who isn’t physically attractive can have worthwhile qualities. We can’t seem to compute when a woman decides that she has other priorities.
My wife has been getting GLP-1 ads constantly. She weighs 110 lb and has struggled with anorexic tendencies since she was a teenager. Consumerism has no conscience.
Insecurity will poison every aspect of your life
Self confidence is attractive
I lost about 100lbs on a prescription similar to ozempic. The world is much kinder to me now. I got a promotion, more hours working, society is friendlier and kinder. I would recommend anyone considering it talk to their doctor.
I also lost about 100 pounds by eating one meal a day and walking a lot and using the EC stack.
In the span of seven years, I nearly quintupled my income.
I dunno, I think the tides of public opinion are shifting on ozempic. Mostly because of how absolutely awful being fat is on your body. Though, where it’s priced now it’s going to remain a designer drug for vain, rich assholes with a touch of sour grapes for everyone else.
In my own opinion I wouldn’t even put it in the same category as those others.
Like most things, Ozempic is fine by itself. But when you put it in the context of a society obsessed with both unrealistic beauty standards and assigning moral weight to any perceived “flaw,” Ozempic is a fast track to returning to the eating disorder epidemic of the 1980s-2000s.
Future historians will also note the coincidence of the meteoric rise of Ozempic with the rise of fascism. Making people feel bad about themselves is how the ruling class and patriarchy exert control. They want you to be unhealthily obsessed with your weight, just as they want you to be addicted to drugs, porn, video games, etc. The radical body acceptance movement was a direct threat to their power, and Ozempic has pretty much removed it from the conversation.
Ozempic causes GI issues, such as paralysis, and numerous other issues like fatigue and depression because starving yourself isn’t healthy. Just exercise and eat a better diet. Exercise is so good for you that fat people who exercise are actually healthier than people of a healthy weight who are sedentary. No fucking way would I ever go on a weight loss drug.
I’m not sure where you read that, but as far as I know it doesn’t cause people to starve themselves. It suppresses hunger so they eat a normal amount of food in an era where calorie-dense, hyperpalatable food is the norm.
Diet and exercise is the gold standard, but some people just can’t regulate their diet for whatever reason. Be it discipline or genetics. Ultimately though it doesn’t matter because the bottom line is a staggering amount of people are at an unhealthy weight.
Being overweight is so bad for your health that known side effects of a drug like ozempic are negligible in comparison. The ones we know about, anyway.
https://wernerhoffman.com/mass-tort-lawyer/ozempic-stomach-paralysis/
It’s like 1/20 patients.
Thanks for coming in with that. From what I’ve heard from my family members in healthcare I knew it was bad, I just didn’t have any actual data.
That’s pretty fucking high
Like with most new drugs it’s something to keep an eye on, though I would be weary of using a source with such a significant financial bias.
I didn’t read it. I had a doctor tell that to me.
Doctors say all sorts of things.
The fundamental premise of prescribing medication is that the best medication is no medication.
Like if someone’s depressed, they should try talking it out before taking anti-depressants.
Once you accept that premise then the doctor’s job is to motivate people to try talking to a friend, or exercising, before prescribing any medication.
“A person who’s feeling sad is much more likely to make a full recovery just talking to a friend a few times a week than someone who starts anti-depressants”
That doesn’t mean that anti-depressants aren’t appropriate for someone who’s really going through it and has exhausted other forms of therapy.
I know all that. I have a lot of family members in healthcare. I responded to you at like 4 am, but I could have given a better response. Still on like 4 hours of sleep lol.
I’m honestly just waiting to see what kind of new side-effects gets listed in the next 5-10 years with these weightloss drugs. I wouldn’t risk anything with this level new medicine, and I’m struggling with losing weight right now.
I kind of hate that this implies “ugly” women will not be judged here for using the same beauty procedures as already attractive women.
Not to mention that these beauty procedures are also sought out by men.
Wholesome plot twist; the “already attractive women” includes all the women.
On Lemmy?
Haaaaaahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
It’s a nice thought regardless :)
I’m certain that all women are attractive in somebody’s eye.
There are definitely some thirsty fuckers out and about.
You don’t need to defend OP. There’s a reason “already attractive women” is used.
Reverse discrimination, nice.
More like targeted discrimination. OP is a man judging a subset of women.
Changing your looks can help a lot with confidence.
Yeah, this post is just misogynistic.
“You already make my dick hard, why are you still insecure?!”
Yeah it’s gross.
She has Graves’ disease.
That requires the hideous mods she did to her face?
She was super super pretty, even if not your type, she looked great. Wtf did she do.
She lost a shit ton of weight because of Graves’ disease. Edit: I just remembered, the steroids used to treat Graves’ disease also affect how your face looks.
She also had some work done, but not anything more than any other actress has generally.
People really don’t understand how hard thyroid issues will impact your body and appearance.
I just poop and then I weigh less. And then I eat it again and I weigh the same.
You are what you think about, and if you don’t control your thoughts, they control you.
think of these things like getting a tattoo. -It’s not done for you.
There’s that one Batman: The Animated Series episode when the antagonist was a beautiful actress who thought she was ugly and irredeemable because years of trauma and stress locked her mind to see only the minor imperfections instead of the full picture. That’s what I see whenever I see an actually beautiful person does cosmetic surgery.
I get scared of the botox faces, both seen from a screen and IRL. They speak, but face doesn’t move. No emotions. It’s just unsettling. And it’s hard to take the person seriously, even if they were smart.
Often it looks like that the person would be very pretty, definitely not a mirror breaker, under it all. Even makeup often looks like the person would look better after cleaning the skin with a butter knife. I keep hearing from men that their ladies are most prettiest after waking up or just without makeup, but it’s not like they can say that without the lady thinking they’re being sarcastic.
Because makeup is for women what bodybuilding is for men. Go tell a bodybuilder that ladies would find him prettier if he was skinnier, and see his reaction
I was thinking of this while writing!
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
If you can’t accept how beautiful you are, the way you are, doing stuff in your face won’t change it either.
The wrost part is the internet and the Barbie effect, that brainwashes women, same as politics, because she did, you have to do it or follow the trend.
Let me tell you what: you are amazing the way you are, you look different, you look beautiful!Because patriarchy.
That strikes me as a super cop out. People just like to be noticed and recognized and the more of it you have, the more of it you want, just like wealth.
I don’t go to the gym because of unrealistic male body standards, I do it because it feels good to be noticed even after you’ve got kids and you’re happily married. It feels good to win and it feels bad to lose but if you have to lose at least you can crab bucket?
Bruh, its just as simple as that. Apply Occams Razor…
Take me down your line of thought because I don’t see how Occam’s razor applies. Everyone likes to be perceived as attractive or MORE attractive. It’s not just women who take GLP-1s or get plastic surgery. And it’s not just ugly people or pretty people, it’s everybody. It’s nicer to be desirable by popular standards than not. That’s not the patriarchy, that’s comparative evaluation for mate selection.
And if you’re not into that it’s fine, but everyone likes to be viewed as attractive.
I find the “bruh it’s the patriarchy” to be, frankly, pretty fucking dumb.
Im just gonna give you ine example.
I got to the gym, because it improves my health and abilities, allowing me to do more and do it longer. Because I like experiencing life, so it allows me to experience more.
You do it to get noticed. Why?
Why not?
I increase weight and duration to be able to do more or go longer than than other people which brings feelings of accomplishment. It also brings all the benefits you describe. You don’t HAVE to compete, but that doesn’t mean that people who do compete are just victims of the patriarchy, that’s an absurd take.
It’s almost like we can all do things for different reasons and you don’t have a monopoly on why people should do a thing.
You don’t HAVE to compete, but that doesn’t mean that people who do compete are just victims of the patriarchy, that’s an absurd take
People who do compete without a set goal (e.g. I win this cup, get the prize money and go do X that I want to do) are victims of bullshit. Was it patriarchy that cooked some particular bullshit up or not is not really the biggest question
People who do compete without a set goal (e.g. I win this cup, get the prize money and go do X that I want to do) are victims of bullshit.
That is a wild take.
To borrow from Daniel Pink’s book “Drive” which focuses on motivation theory, external motivators like money or prizes take you nowhere near as far as internal motivators. You are more likely to succeed generally and reach higher levels of performance if your motivation is intrinsic because you give that motivation to yourself and it is self-amplifying. Of course, his bent is more business-meets-academia, but I would struggle to see a world where it doesn’t also apply here. Would you just up and start a new hobby because you won the local competition?
It seems to me that by your logic you go take a karate class so you can get a black belt and then quit? Where’s the satisfaction in that? I don’t think that’s a problem of being a “victim of bullshit”, it’s about the pursuit of excellence for its own sake.
You feel the need to compete for attention, because you have been told winning a competition increases your “value”…
Why do you think or feel that competing increases your value, somehow?
You feel its all just “mate selection” and Im telling that is a facet of the patriarchy…
I’m telling you I like to compete and by every metric I’m probably both healthier and more capable than you as a result. I’m glad you’re working on it, but the difference between us is not “patriarchy” no matter how you shoehorn it, it is more likely not being in good shape and trying to catch up. I like attention as a motivator sure, but success and improvement are their own rewards. People can just be just more motivated than you. Bodybuilding and powerlifting are both things people enjoy for their own sake.
Society isn’t the thing keeping you down, it’s the law of averages. Most people suck. At everything. All the time. Welcome.
