• BlanketsWithSmallpox@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1311·
          9 months ago

          It’s only us vs the billionaires! Don’t let them try to pit us against each other!

          Anyone who owns more than two houses deserves to die!

          Anyone who works X job is a bastard, no matter how much good they do.

          No, I will not run for local elections.

          No, I will not give up Xitter I need it to follow my niche artists despite them having accounts on multiple other platforms including BlueSky.

          No I will not give up Facebook. I need it to poke meemaw and check the marketplace for things I’ll never buy or sell because Craigslist amirite?

          At least all you twats use ETA less than they do on reddit. That bugs me way more than it should.

      • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
        2813·
        9 months ago

        There’s also the part that is into crushing with a tank people who don’t hate the USA more than anything in the universe.

        • CazzoneArrapante@lemm.eeItaliano
          2·
          9 months ago

          Honestly I feel like most people on here are just tired of the ultra-capitalistic hell neoliberalism threw us into and want a better system that doesn’t rape dry the Earth and doesn’t allow companies to have the same wealth as entire states. Those people you mention are just a very loud, screaming minority.

          • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
            23·
            9 months ago

            I’m part of these people, I think most of them are social democrat and don’t have any illusion about supposedly socialist countries.
            Yes, they are a minority since .world became the biggest player, but they are still very visible if you mention those subjects and countries, they are going to pop up.

    • boreengreen@lemm.ee
      19·
      9 months ago

      Linux, reddit bad, socialism and star trek are alright. The bean thing I don’t get. Never am I gonna spend energy learning about it either.

      • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        9 months ago

        The bean thing I don’t get

        I recall that being a thing on Reddit too for a bit… Just the internet doing its thing. People like random shit - it all gud.

    • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
      133·
      9 months ago

      Bagging Reddit is actually kinda discouraged, more Linux and communism. Or at least screeching about capitalism at every opportunity.

      • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        9 months ago

        Yeah, for a website forged almost exclusively from former Redditors and especially ones who got burned by Reddit’s abysmal leadership, I rarely see complaints about Reddit on here – arguably far fewer than on Reddit itself.

        • NateNate60@lemmy.worldOP
          21·
          9 months ago

          The socialists are the native inhabitants of this land, the Redditors are the ruthless imperialist colonisers.

            • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
              21·
              9 months ago

              He says that because the creators are tankies and so were the first communities built around them like .ml administrated by the creators. Last year’s Redditors migration after the API change moved the political center more towards social democracy and the people center towards .world.

              • argv minus one@mastodon.sdf.org
                22·
                9 months ago

                Indeed, but the old tankie instances still exist, same as always. The centrists went elsewhere, to non-tankie instances that were set up for them.

                Colonization involves taking somebody else’s land, but this is more like creating more land out of thin air and settling there.

                • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
                  12·
                  9 months ago

                  I think those people consider the Lemmy federation to be their playground, and they are being xenophobic about others, but since there is not supposed to be xenophobia in their ideology, they call it colonialism instead.

          • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
            11·
            9 months ago

            Or maybe the Redditors are refugees and the lemmy nativists have convinced themselves they are eating their pets.

        • BalooWasWahoo@links.hackliberty.org
          3·
          9 months ago

          That’s been a welcome change in the last ~6 months. It was a fire hose blast of people going back and forth on whether a ‘thing’ was brought over from reddit, and whether or not it was welcome.

            • BalooWasWahoo@links.hackliberty.org
              3·
              9 months ago

              Oh, just insert whatever you remember from reddit. Replies that are obviously jokes but off topic, mimicking a meme or such; doing the ‘follow the link’ meme (though I only remember that one popping up once or twice); sounding out a sentence one word per reply… I saw all of those get panned or promoted. Some people screamed about leaving such habits at reddit, others thought they were the height of humor.

              • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
                21·
                9 months ago

                There’s a lot of those jokes that will hopefully die on the platform. They had well and truly run their course even on Reddit.

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
      12·
      9 months ago

      Say Windows bad as well. We’re not allowed to use Windows for some reason… I use it, and I’m not sorry, but I really don’t care about internet doots.

    • socsa@piefed.social
      13·
      9 months ago

      Not enough blaming capitalism for problems which have nothing to do with capitalism.

    • f314@lemmy.world
      513·
      9 months ago

      I mean, Linux (and the entire ecosystem) is a fundamentally socialist concept.

      • NateNate60@lemmy.worldOP
        26·
        9 months ago

        I would say GNU is one that’s openly socialist. If Linux’s (or rather, Linus Torvald’s) philosophy is socialist, they either do a very good job of hiding the fact or there is a lot I don’t know about them.

          • NateNate60@lemmy.worldOP
            9·
            9 months ago

            That doesn’t make him a socialist. He doesn’t espouse any of the core socialist beliefs there. He’s just saying he’s a “woke communist” (as described by the right), which could mean anything from a centre-left liberal to a Marxist.

            • sandbox@lemmy.world
              5·
              9 months ago

              Socialism is when Linus does stuff. And it’s more socialism the more stuff he does. And if he does a real lot of stuff, that’s communism.

        • uis@lemm.ee
          131·
          9 months ago

          Wasn’t Torvalds’ dad member of communist party?

          • frezik@midwest.social
            9·
            9 months ago

            Yes, and was a member of the EU parliament until recently. Both his parents were pretty radical. Linus tends to keep his politics private for the most part.

          • NateNate60@lemmy.worldOP
            4·
            9 months ago

            Maybe so, but children don’t always adopt the ideology of their parents. They usually do, but not always.

        • frezik@midwest.social
          61·
          9 months ago

          Unpopular opinion: “Open Source”, spawned from Netscape spinning off Mozilla, laid out in definition by the OSI organization, and advocated for by AnCaps like Eric S. Raymond, was always fundamentally capitalist. Devs spending a lot of free time doing free work for companies was not an accident. Capitalists borrowing ideas from the left and twisting them for their own uses is not new, either.

          Free Software is more rooted in communism. You’re doing this to help your community. RMS might have always denied it–probably because it wasn’t a good idea to advocate that way during the Cold War and after–but it’s a better philosophical fit.

          It’s past time to divorce the two.

          • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
            3·
            9 months ago

            There are discussions about open vs. free going back over 20 years, that I know of. The divorce happened long ago, but they’re still neighbors.

            • frezik@midwest.social
              3·
              9 months ago

              Those discussions largely resulted in “FOSS”, and a basic peace treaty. The two tended to use the same techniques and licenses in practice, and nobody really wanted to have that fight.

              • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
                1·
                9 months ago

                I didn’t realize things had progressed to this point. I thought there were still some mainstream distros that would qualify as Free, but the only ones GNU endorses are ones I’ve never heard of. There do still seem to be some non-GNU projects with a freedom-first philosophy.

        • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
          21·
          9 months ago

          I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

          Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

          There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

  • qooqie@lemmy.world
    62·
    9 months ago

    I realize we’re inherently not capitalistic platform because everyone has the access to own their portion. Pretty cool imo and not to toot the horn for the millionth time, it definitely seems like the future of the internet

  • robocall@lemmy.world
    645·
    9 months ago

    My partner has been insinuating that I’m a communist recently. I don’t think I’m a communist, I simply want to seize the means of production for the people.

    • Letsdothis@lemmy.worldBanned
      56·
      9 months ago

      It’s part of the plan. To get people to accept a perspective before learning from where one has to stand to have such a perspective.

      Something that can’t be denied is that there are bad actors in America who actively want the downfall of America. These groups look to the future and determine what will harm America in critical aspects. These groups (sometimes actively funded by other nations) arent actively seeking uprising or revolt this year, or next year, but maybe by the end of the decade, or maybe the next decade.

      These malevolent forces at work arent readily apparent. One of these goals is division. “Divide and conquer.” I don’t believe it’s completely by accident that politics are so divisive right now.

      I’m not that old, but I remember a time when people wouldn’t generalize and stereotype each other based on political leanings.

      We again need to prioritize love for each other over political standings.

      • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
        2·
        9 months ago

        “I’m not that old, but I remember a time when people wouldn’t generalize and stereotype each other based on political leanings.”

        I remember a time when people had to band together to fight back dinosaurs in order to stop them from terrorizing villages.

        Want to write a history book with me?

        We could call it “Bullshit That Clearly Never Happened”

  • buzz86us@lemmy.world
    402·
    9 months ago

    I just hate how it is vilified when we literally freely give billions in taxpayer monies to oil companies.

    • NateNate60@lemmy.worldOP
      463·
      9 months ago

      I want to seize the means of production as much as the next guy but it gets kinda boring after a while if that’s the only content available

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
      207·
      9 months ago

      I’m just sick of the fucking tankies telling me World War 3 will finally give us workers rights.

      • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        117·
        9 months ago

        They claim both sides are equally as bad while ignoring the fact that their side has never even been tested. Therefore they have no fucking clue that they wouldn’t be worse.

        Shill Stein has already been outed, West is an incompetent blowhard and only shows up ever four years to suggest impractical and irrelevant nonsense,

        And JFK….

        The Green Party is essential a giant spoiler campaign.

          • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
            66·
            9 months ago

            I don’t think there are real communists honestly. I don’t think communism is ever really a “viable” solution unless you suppress freedoms. Also someone will always rise to the top. Communism is just one big corporation that you can not leave.

            • NateNate60@lemmy.worldOP
              51·
              9 months ago

              At the risk of starting another argument, I have heard it described thusly—

              Suppose you have some number of apples and some number of people who want the apples.

              • Capitalism is where one person owns all the apples and everyone has to work for them to get an apple.
              • Socialism is where the apples are distributed evenly to all the people who want them.
              • Communism is where unlimited apples fall out of the sky and everyone can have as many as they need.

              Now, this quote was originally used by capitalists to mock communism, but I think it’s really not a bad analogy. Think about it: Star Trek, another beloved Lemmy staple, takes place in a communist society. Everyone works whatever job they want contributing to society and in return, everyone gets whatever they need provided for by the state. It’s not truly post scarcity, since human greed always outstrips any finite amount of resources. But there is no distinction of rich or poor in Star Trek. People are judged by their intelligence, skill, and merit, and rewarded proportionally. At the same time, there is no concept of money, mostly (except when the plot needs it). What good is money when all your necessities are taken care of? All but your wildest desires can be conjured up at a snap of your fingers, and all the state asks in return is that you do what you can to contribute. It is a mutually beneficial relationship that most people have learned to be content with. That, my friends, is an ideal depiction of communism.

              • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
                51·
                9 months ago
                • Capitalism is where one person owns all the copies of Tommy Wiseau’s The Room
                • Socialism is where the copies of Tommy Wiseau’s The Room are distributed evenly to all the people who want them
                • Communism is where a transgender furry breaks the DRM on the DVD and publishes a torrent of Tommy Wiseau’s The Room
              • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
                12·
                9 months ago

                I think the Star Trek ideal is not viable in the least as people will always be self centered. They will either seek either to make there own lives better or to make there families lives better. Also Star Trek changes its narrative depending on the movie or series.

                • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netEnglish
                  5·
                  9 months ago

                  I don’t think humans would be naturally self centered if they lived in an environment that actually encouraged sharing and cooperation instead of actively encouraging and rewarding psychopathy and selfishness.

                  There were likely people who thought it impossible that wolves would someday become domesticated, and eventually be our best buds, due to their ‘unchangeable’ nature.

                  We are all products of our environment.

            • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
              11·
              9 months ago

              I think a public production and distribution of goods can be handled democratically which will eventually happen organically with a strong and adaptable democracy, furthermore I agree any other form of Communism such as the CCP is just malarkey.

            • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
              82·
              9 months ago

              Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, the Phillippines, Crimea, and Ukraine (just to name some ongoing conflicts)

              But sure, its all the west with their “mutual defence pacts” and their “incentivizing diplomacy through trade”, Those beligerent bastards.

              Also, though, whataboutism in the face of their dogshit ideology.

              • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
                25·
                9 months ago

                Drag isn’t a tankie, and drag wants Ukrainian troops to march on Moscow because Putin is a fuckhead and drag wants to see the fall of the Russian empire

            • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
              41·
              9 months ago

              I don’t think you’ll find too many bOtH siDEs accelerationists among the liberals, but don’t let this get in the way of some good ol’ fashioned uninformed ignorance!

        • WillStealYourUsername@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          21·
          9 months ago

          I mean that’s why they are called tankies :P It’s a derogatory word originally used to describe “socialists” defending tanks being sent into ukraine by the soviet union, and then was quickly used to describe all “socialists” defending genocide, imperialism, and authoritarianism.

    • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      710·
      9 months ago

      Nine times out of ten it’s incorrectly defined by idealists that haven’t figured out that a fair amount of American sociological and economic standards are already steeped in socialist services, and the rest of the rhetoric that defines socialism would absolutely fail if attempted in America.

      In short, nine times out of ten, a socialist has absolutely no fucking idea what they’re talking about, but just parroting smug bullshit that they think makes them look edgy and educated.

      • Schmoo@slrpnk.net
        10·
        9 months ago

        a fair amount of American sociological and economic standards are already steeped in socialist services

        If you believe this to be true then you don’t understand what socialism actually is. You seem to be of the mind that any publicly funded service or welfare is socialist, and I don’t blame you for thinking this since it is what the mainstream American political discourse would have you believe.

        In short, nine times out of ten, a socialist has absolutely no fucking idea what they’re talking about, but just parroting smug bullshit that they think makes them look edgy and educated.

        When you say this immediately after demonstrating that you actually have no idea what you’re talking about it’s a pretty bad look. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

      • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
        66·
        9 months ago

        Drag thinks the means of production should be owned by the workers. Drag is curious why you think the American workers own “a fair amount” of the means of production.

    • laranis@lemmy.zip
      22·
      9 months ago

      Half socialism, half complaining about capitalism, half linux, and half startrek memes.

      Although, now that I think about it, the linux and startrek halves are often just a part of the socialism half.

      So, I guess the original point stands. Socialism all the way down.

    • dubious@lemmy.world
      48·
      9 months ago

      at the end of the day, it’s all complaining and no action. i get so tired of hearing children whine and doing nothing about anything.

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    347·
    9 months ago

    Actually the first one is lemmy.world users confusing corporate centrists for socialism