• OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world
    662·
    6 days ago

    “This is the police! Hands up you FREAK!”

    “…im a farmer”

    “omg thats so cool, can i bring my kids to watch and maybe they can try?”

    • ronl2k@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      6 days ago

      “omg thats so cool, can i bring my kids to watch and maybe they can try?”

      Context is everything. “The Bible: In the Beginning” (1966) contains a long fully nude Adam & Eve scene, but schools were encouraged to send kids to see it. My school did. But nudity in movies was very rare in 1966 and such a scene would normally have been prohibited by government censorship if not for the biblical framing.

                • No_Eponym@lemmy.ca
                  10·
                  6 days ago

                  Buddy shows up, flying, flaming sword, tells you God with a capital G is gonna knock you up, kinda high pressure, no?

                  But hey, she should be grateful. Its a 'uge honor! Really, He’s doing this for her. And He’s God. When You’re God, they let You do what You want. You just (metaphisically) grab em by the pussy, right? Otherwise, someone’s gonna be a pillar of salt…

                • OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  6 days ago

                  “I am the Lord’s servant. May it be done to me according to your word”, which to me i hear words like “servant” and “to your word” and i think this person thinks their word is lower than the other person due to power imbalance etc, and im pretty sure The Gospel of Matthew doesnt mention Mary’s consent. Or maybe even asking her for it, im not sure.

  • dasrael@lemmy.zip
    233·
    6 days ago

    I came across a vidya on the interwebs many hears ago where a monkey grabbed a frog and used it as a fleshlight… Ever since then Ive had a different relationship with the word “unnatural”. The truth is that shoving your arm up a cows ass and eating vegan fervantly and being a hater ass bitch are all perfect examples of natural human behaviour…and im well past thinking theyre not.

  • Grimy@lemmy.world
    481·
    6 days ago

    You guys are doing it for the meat and that’s weak. I don’t need a reason.

  • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.todayEnglish
    46·
    6 days ago

    If people are willing to mastrubate bulls for money, then just imagine what else they are willing to do to earn a buck.

  • abbadon420@sh.itjust.works
    7123·
    7 days ago

    Fruit is perfectly wholesome and natural though. Except they aren’t…

    Corn is basically a bulge of semen because of how humans have bred it.

    Bananas are incapable of reproducing. All bananans you find in the supermarket are clones. If men were to die out, so would the common (cavendish) banana.

    Cows are bred for milk production. If it wasn’t for men, their milk production would be very different. It’s just as natural as a banana.

    • LSNLDN@slrpnk.net
      733·
      6 days ago

      Cows are just as unnatural as bananas, but the farming of animals is much more cruel, unnecessary, and destructive to the environment

              • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
                31·
                6 days ago

                The cows we have that we get milk and beef from never lived in the wild. They’re domesticated from wild aurochs that started up around 10,000 years ago. Cows are domesticated food sources that wouldn’t exist without us, just like dogs wouldn’t exist without us.

      • stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        17·
        6 days ago

        the part where we use pesticides, fertilizer and other techniques to make sure these plants don’t die. they’re bred for usefuleness, not for surviving in the wild. this is basically true for all crops we farm

  • TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world
    161·
    6 days ago

    You know, i used to have more heated discussions about this, but now i feel like I matured a different view on this, at all. I conceive the freedom to chose on a personal ethical base above the idea of punching down ideas just because. Ideally, being vegan is just that, being vegan. You can be whatever… It’s not mandatory to be either.

    I eventually found out that any amount of rage or hate for that was only projection of my special insecurities.

    • lalo@discuss.tchncs.de
      134·
      6 days ago

      I conceive the freedom to chose on a personal ethical base above the idea of punching down ideas just because.

      I agree it’s a choice, but I don’t think it’s a personal one given that there is another sentient being victimized in the action.

      A bit on the motivation behind vegan activism:

      Say you’re against needlessly exploiting animals. And you purchase/produce animal products when there are other options available. You would be needlessly exploiting animals while affirming a contradiction, that would be hypocrisy. Nobody can force you to act on that, but they can point what you’re accountable for.

      Vegans believe that most people are against needlessly exploiting animals, so they try to show this to people. Confusion may get in the way, but wanting to put on the spotlight what kind of exploitation people are supporting is what guides them.

    • Goatboy@lemmy.today
      102·
      6 days ago

      I don’t know. I find the people insisting that farmers are the same as pedophiles to be pretty infuriating personally.

      • TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world
        12·
        6 days ago

        Because i don’t want to deal in extremes any longer. We milked that vegan teacher for content long enough, we should know better now. Most vegans are not the vegan teacher, as a matter of fact

        • Goatboy@lemmy.today
          33·
          6 days ago

          Most vegans might not be (doubt), but every vegan arguing in this thread is or they wouldn’t be here.

    • Just_Lyin@lemmy.org
      81·
      6 days ago

      I had a vegan roommate for years. I didn’t cook much meat when he was in the house. But I was never personally vegan. I also did agree that it’s more ethical to not kill for your food, let alone all the other horrors of factory farming. And I’m able to accept that I don’t live up to that more ethical standard.

      I think maybe people just don’t like to think someone (especially annoying people) might be doing something better than they are? Like you said, special insecurities.

  • JcbAzPx@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4724·
    6 days ago

    Interesting that someone could look at a normal (albeit unpleasant) veterinary procedure and immediately think of beasiality.

    • GR4CELESS@lemmy.zip
      241·
      6 days ago

      “Normal” in the context of industrial agriculture… Which has existed for less time than beastiality (source: idk might have made it up but it seems likely)

      • null@lemmy.org
        75·
        6 days ago

        I wonder if they would use the same argument on a photo of someone receiving gender-affirming care.

        • bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz
          71·
          6 days ago

          I have a feeling the person receiving gender-affirming care consented to it. On a risk of sounding like a creep, I will even say they asked for it.

    • Urist@leminal.space
      2915·
      6 days ago

      There is nothing normal about shoving your entire arm up a cow’s asshole in order to slightly increase the chance of your artificial insemination working so you can murder its baby and drink all the milk produced to nurture that baby.

      You’re sick.

      • JcbAzPx@lemmy.worldEnglish
        32·
        6 days ago

        That’s not what they’re doing. It’s more than a little weird you think so.

        • Urist@leminal.space
          11·
          5 days ago

          That’s not what they’re doing.

          It absolutely is what they’re doing, what do you mistakenly believe they’re doing?

        • sfgifz@lemmy.world
          51·
          6 days ago

          Thsts enough. An idiot stands out in the comments when they keep repeating the same comment to everyone.

          • Goatboy@lemmy.today
            27·
            6 days ago

            How eugenicist of you.

            This is either rape and the poster is sharing rape porn with zero concern for the victims or its not because they’re goddamn cows. You don’t get to have it both ways.

      • JustAGuy@lemmy.org
        37·
        6 days ago

        Murder and drink the milk xD. wheezing. Seriously though renting a bull cant be more expensive than a vet. Even a cattle auction has to be cheaper.

  • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7444·
    7 days ago

    Veganism is unnatural because we’re all omnivores, and evolved eating both plants and animals.

    Impregnating cows this way is also unnatural.

    Both can be true.

    • bearboiblake@pawb.socialEnglish
      819·
      6 days ago

      Fun fact, we evolved to eat raw meat, that’s why we have an appendix. Then, when we stopped eating raw meat, we started to evolve away from the appendix.

      Evolutionary arguments don’t support the naturalist fallacy, because evolution doesn’t work like that. It responds to environmental pressures. It’s not some guiding light for what we’re “meant” to be doing, it’s the tools we’ve got to support what we already did.

      • Caffie@lemmy.world
        17·
        6 days ago

        This article says it was for raw vegetables:

        For our ancestors, the appendix most likely evolved to help them digest a diet rich in raw vegetables and cellulose, as it still does in many herbivorous mammals. Thousands of years ago it would have functioned as an extension of the cecum, involved in the bacterial digestion of fibrous plant materials.

      • hector@lemmy.today
        163·
        6 days ago

        That is not proven though, the appendix part, that’s the explanation I like the best as well. Other explanations, I forget, the aliens had it for some shit we don’t even know about, oh yeah, the more likely non joke one, and it could be what you say and this both many organs do multiple things, is to provide a reservoir of gut bacteria, to repopulate the gut after the system is flushed. That would go right along with digesting raw meat, as using independent bacteria is large part of the human body we’ve come to learn.

        I forget what the other theories are, but there are others for the appendix, I believe the raw meat and reservoir of bacteria both though is most likely.

        • raid_dad@lemmy.world
          14·
          6 days ago

          While still technically a theory, the appendix acting as a reservoir for healthy gut bacteria has largely been proven. That function could very well have helped with digestion of raw meat as well, especially if eating raw meats caused issues with diarrhea.

        • daggermoon@lemmy.world
          3·
          6 days ago

          I want my money back
          That wasn’t fun
          The bricks and the gravel and the mud and the blood
          Another wild teenager in search of success, welcome to the jewel of the modified west

      • CovfefeKills@lemmy.world
        11·
        6 days ago

        It’s probably got more to do with eating less rotten meat than eating less raw meat. It has functions for the immune system it is like the surveillance system for what is being introduced to the body.

      • Absurdly Stupid @lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        6 days ago

        Today, most people are “more vegan” than meat eater, too, as in they eat more grains and vegetables than meat. If that’s what you meant.

      • StinkyFingerItchyBum@lemmy.caEnglish
        61·
        6 days ago

        More vegan.

        What a curious phrase. Not just for the substitution of vegetarian for vegan, but for the use of “more”. More vegan. I thought it was binary. Are there partial vegans? I thought that wasn’t allowed.

        Because my diet includes more calories and nutrition from plant matter than meat most days, am I more vegan now?

        • hector@lemmy.today
          5·
          6 days ago

          They overwhelmingly ate more plants than meat we can safely presume. Meat they could get would be mostly insects, and an already dead or sick animals. Later when they came out of the trees shellfish.

          • arrow74@lemmy.zip
            21·
            6 days ago

            Yes scavenging for meat is generally considered a very important part of human evolution. Our stomachs are particularly acidic when compared to other great apes. This is believed to have evolved due to a high consumption of scavenged meats.

            You are right though plants generally did form a large portion of our and our ancestors diets.

            Important to note that as our brain size increased it did correlate with increased meat consumption as well. This all goes into calorie densities, available nutrients, and evolutionary pressures.

      • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
        511·
        6 days ago

        that’s like comparing us to the primordial plankton that use to eat microbes.

        it’s just really stupid.

        let’s ignore 25 million years of evolution.

        • hector@lemmy.today
          54·
          6 days ago

          Evolution is on a long scale, we have a lot longer as vegans than we do eating any meat to speak of outside insects and scavenging. Only a blink of an eye hunting our own meat to a large extent, a small fraction of a million years, compared to millions, and tens of millions, vegan ish.

          Longer when you include like passive meat eating, like shellfish, which is what people were thought to be following as they colonized the middle east and asia.

          • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
            37·
            6 days ago

            if your argument is that we were herbivores longer than omnivores I’ve got some news for you. we ate planktons for alot longer than plants, mostly because plants didn’t even exist for millions of years.

            so by your logic we should be eating phytoplanktons instead of plants and animals.

            you can’t just dismiss millions of years of evolution on a whim based entirely on an emotional reaction.

            be vegan all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that you are an omnivore.

            • hector@lemmy.today
              23·
              6 days ago

              Not millions though, tens of thousands eating meat, millions eating mostly vegan. I’m not a vegan btw don’t have a dog in this fight.

              • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
                1·
                6 days ago

                We, humans, have only existed for around 200,000 years, you are referring to multiple different species that are explicitly not Homo Sapiens Sapiens that all had different organic needs and requirements than what we require. This stance really does not hold any kind of scientific relevance to the human diet. We are inarguably evolved, as humans, to be omnivores, and arguably obligate omnivores if you’re trying to be scientific about it.

                Veganism is a choice based on modern subjective morality, there is no objective or scientific explanation or reason for humans to be vegan. It’s a choice, plain and simple, and it does not make you better or worse than anyone else.

    • altphoto@lemmy.today
      5·
      6 days ago

      A guy reading a Bible on one hand with his hand a foot deep into a cow’s behind…they let you do it if you’re famous said the lord.

      • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
        11·
        6 days ago

        A guy reading a Bible on one hand with his hand a foot deep into a cow’s behind

        …you…you do know that’s not how insemination works…right?

        if they’re in it’s behind, that’s an impacted colon and they are likely trying to clear it.

    • ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip
      512·
      6 days ago

      Not only that, but also vegan diet is literally making people crazy (or crazy people are more often on vegan diet, dealer’s choice).

      Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10408398.2020.1741505#abstract

      The majority of studies, and especially the higher quality studies, showed that those who avoided meat consumption had significantly higher rates or risk of depression, anxiety, and/or self-harm behaviors. There was mixed evidence for temporal relations, but study designs and a lack of rigor precluded inferences of causal relations. Our study does not support meat avoidance as a strategy to benefit psychological health.

      • lemonwood@lemmy.ml
        9·
        6 days ago

        This study was funded in part via an unrestricted research grant from the Beef Checkoff, through the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association.

          • lemonwood@lemmy.ml
            5·
            6 days ago

            It means this metastudy is less of a study and more of an advertisement. The outcome of a metastudy depends even more on who does it, especially if they make up the criteria for which research is “good” enough to include.

      • redundancy@lemmy.org
        5·
        6 days ago

        I think people on the left as whole would be more prone to depression and anxiety too. People who care about the world are generally more concious, more self-aware and critical, which turn into more worrying and at the extreme, anxiety.

      • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netEnglish
        2·
        6 days ago

        vegan diet is literally making people crazy

        Wrong.

        (or crazy people are more often on vegan diet, dealer’s choice).

        Mmm, no, there is a right answer and it’s this one. Well, it’s this one with more inclusive language. Like “People who have experienced more hardship with psychological consequences are more likely to avoid consumption of animal products”.

    • SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world
      1415·
      6 days ago

      Vegans will NEVER have the political clout to force their way of life on everyone, and they’re mad AF about it.

      • bearboiblake@pawb.socialEnglish
        52·
        6 days ago

        Vegans don’t want to force anything on anyone. What we want to do is to persuade people to change their minds. I believe wholeheartedly that veganism as a majority position is inevitable. In the past, the idea that black women would be allowed to vote was more unthinkable than majority veganism is now. History trends towards progressivism.

      • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
        51·
        6 days ago

        It’s not just political clout. Attempting to politically force veganism on the world would result in a war, not just votes against it.

        • _stranger_@lemmy.world
          21·
          6 days ago

          Uh, the guy in your link wasn’t fucking around though, he got lynched by an angry mob but did nothing wrong.