I’m all for it, but what kicked it off?

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    Earlier this week a user posted “kill Nazis” and got a warning from Imgur saying that imgur is an inclusive platform, welcome to everyone. (which apparently includes Nazis?)
    That’s what kicked this off (again).

    There was already some upset feelings in the community because at the beginning of the week one of the “Elbow Deep In A” accounts got suspended over a “Gone Mild” drawing of a goblin girl. So it didn’t take much for the community to be really upset with “business daddy”

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    Imgur has pissed me off long enough that I decided to roll my own this summer. When all I need is a place to store stuff for easy linking, building a web frontend is pretty trivial.

    Plus I’m not limited to whatever file type and size imgur decides.

    And guess what, my site condones punching Nazis:

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      And it all comes full circle

      (For those who don’t know, Imgur was invented by a user on reddit sick of the other image hosting sites until it eventually became what it was meant to replace)

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        dreifir.com

        …but signup isn’t possible yet (no, I will not allow anonymous uploads).

        It looks like shit, but it works. DM me if you’re interested in testing it, and I’ll set up a login for you.

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        To be honest you don’t need to either of them. You can just upload images to your own instance unless some instances have disabled image uploading?

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        Because I’m too old and crusty to use docker. Also, yet another hobby project because, apparently, I have too few unfinished ones.

        EDIT: Plus I want the ability to selectively publish via bittorrent as well. Forgot that part.

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    Somebody was banned for posting the GIF of the Nazi Guy getting knocked out (you know the one).

    The community is not having it.

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      Every time I walk past that stretch near Pike and 3rd in Seattle, right over that bit of concrete where the nazi got laid the fuck out, I punch the air. Every time.

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          I know it is, technically. I just never group Imgur into social media. Its always been just an image host in my mind.

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            When I last used Imgur about ten years ago, they communicated exclusively in gifs and meme phrases. It’s a bit odd.

            But, when those browsing /new on Imgur had a mini-uprising and upvoted just anything for a day, weirdest and most outlandish stuff actually made it to the front page. That was the most fun I’ve ever had on a social-media site.

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      No wonder. Some rich guy must have got very upset. Strange though, plenty of people get punched all the time, and there are plenty more GIFs people getting punched. Banning specifically the Nazi guy getting punched isn’t good PR I think…

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      The one that gets its tooth knocked out?

      Man I love that clip, you can live vicariously through it for a second.

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      That video always makes me uncomfortable because I dont know the actual context. Maybe he was in Halloween fancy dress?

      Yes fuck nazis, but I dont know in my bones the person deserved it.

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          Yeah, I think you should cosplay as a nazi the same way we wear fake guns. You better make it abundantly clear that it’s a toy/costume.

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            Someone I know cosplays as a Nazi. He doesn’t walk around the streets wraring an armband. He goes in full military gear, riding around on an original WWII german bike with sidecar at WWII historic events. You know, like a cosplayer.

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              If true, then the person you know is a loser and someone should beat the shit out of them.

              It doesn’t matter how authentic it is if you’re cosplaying as a fucking Nazi.

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          Also, in the one scenario where I would find dressing up as a nazi acceptable, which is if they’re an actor for a movie/show/play that requires nazi characters, they are not going to just put an armband on their everyday modern clothing.

          They’ll wear a proper reconstruction of an actual nazi uniform, and they’re not going to just walk around in that costume, they’re going to be on or around a set, which also gives any possible passerbys the context clues needed to understand that they’re just an actor, thus saving themselves from being punched.

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          Fun fact I have a swedish tankers trench coat from 1940 and a Swiss helmet from 1942 when I wear them together it basically looks like legally distinct werhmacht. I can pull the samething with an American armor school long coat and a Yugoslav helmet for the Soviet equivalent.

          It’s technically not Nazi apparel. It annoys my friends though.

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            The number of people willing to provide cover, and give the benefit of the doubt to people dressing as, and behaving like literal Nazis is too damn high. I’m seeing it everywhere on here lately.

            “I don’t know anything about the thing you guys are talking about, but what if he was dressed like that because he’s an actor in a movie?”

            Really?

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              Oh, I’m not defending a specific instance. I’m merely pointing out that there does exist a time and place where people should be allowed to dress as despicable characters from history

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            You’re allowed, but surely you’d be aware enough not to walk in your costume outside the set. The same goes for theatre or anything. An actor who thinks it’s a good idea to walk outside in a nazi costume has it coming, and that’s a good thing.

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              Don’t even engage with such a bullshit attempt at deflecting. Look, they’ve already got you talking about a bullshit hypothetical that they literally just made up whole cloth

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          I think it more reminds me how easily influenced we can be. “Go find out” is great, but its not possible to research everything you see. Even if I did I’d only find other people talking about the video and would have no real way of discerning who actually knows what theyre talking about and who’s just making credible sounding shit up.

          Do you guys not feel that worry somewhere in your mind when you see things like this?

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            I mean, it’s not like me enjoying the video is going to affect the guy who got punched. I think it’s good that as a society we support videos that appear to show Nazi cosplayers being punched and don’t give them the benefit of the doubt. If I were actually there IRL and able to affect the outcome, I would also be able to ask for the necessary information to determine what to do.

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        The sources for this video indicate the person wearing the armband:

        • Harassed a black man on a bus.
        • Walked around downtown Seattle for an hour dressed that way.
        • Had several verbal confrontations with passerby who commented on his clothing.
          Source 1

        • Several 911 calls were placed about this man attempting to instigate fights.
        • The man declined to file a police report after the police did appear.
          Source 2

        For at least an hour at any point leading up to this, the person wearing the armband could have taken it off and stopped interacting with others. To my knowledge, the person who was punched has never spoken to media to explain why they were dressed as such, despite the massive internet fame of the video.

        Do you still feel uncomfortable? Do you know in your bones if the person deserved it?

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          In this specific case im happy enough thanks for that. Thats actually cheered me up a little.

          I’m not sure if I’ll ever truly get there, think I’ll be a little more comfortable joining the mob without context next time. This is the most consistent engagement I’ve ever had on this site and I think ive learned a thing or two here.

          • Monument@lemmy.sdf.org
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            Well, don’t join the mob blindly. Do your own research. The above information was gathered from one internet search using the available context clues from this post.
            It did not take very long and was easy.

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          Or a movie prop. Or a weird stag night. Or a mentally ill person unaware of the severity of the joke. Or theres a gunman behind the camera making him put the armband on. Or digitally altered before release. Or the list goes on.

          What you think you see “Nazi scum punished”

          What you actually saw “man gets punched”

          Im lowkey shook fr how easily #2 becomes #1. Again, I’d like to point out I’m all for nazis getting fucked up.

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            If it is a movie prop than the person stays on the lot. There is no stag night justification, mental illness ok…

            But you are reaching.

            There are certain things you never choose to do. Pretending to be be a Nazi is one of them.

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              So youre happy that you know based on a 2 second gif and it doesn’t even slightly worry you how easy it is? Maybe it was cut to only show the good bit, but maybe its been cut to rob you of any context.

              We have the ability to make anything look like anything, and we’re cheering on violence based on a momentary flash of bad-guy logo, while being the same species that had literal witch- finders like a few generations ago.

              I’m more worried now, because instead of seeing the point I’m trying to make people seem to be assuming I’m defending nazis.

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            Fuck off, Nazi sympathiser. You’re literally inventing reasons to justify proudly wearing the symbol of hate and genocide.

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            Did you just really ignore monuments comment two above?

            I guess we know where your sympathies land

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        Consider:

        Someone is getting knocked the F out on camera.

        There is a crowd of people

        No one is stopping or diffusing the situation

        No one is stopping over the check on the fallen

        Then calculate it appears to be a guy wearing a nazi arm band

        then consider that it would be the shittiest idea for a halloween costume south of blackface and even wearing nazi garb would likely get you a rightful ass-kicking.

        There’s no math there that makes that even slightly questionable.

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        Fancy dress? That’s a stretch. Usually in fancy dress you’re imitating someone. Who is he meant to be? Just a generic Nazi.

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        Yeah, his hand coming up in a way that could be “this isn’t what you think” doesn’t help. The description makes the situation sound very different though and there’s not much of an excuse for the armband right now. But yeah, not a fan of the gif now I’ve seen it

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        That’s still going to take time. It is like their main symbol. Education on that in schools will go a long way. And it’s not just Buddhist either. Native Americans and Irish used to use them to.

        Before 1930s that symbol was in magazines and shit too.

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      I came here to say I’m still mad they make me hesitate to write in Futhark. One more reason to give them the Indiana Jones treatment

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        The social contract of tolerance doesn’t extend to those who are intolerant. They are outside the protection of Tolerant Society’s protection, and the Tolerant are free (and, in fact, strongly encouraged) not to tolerate them, because they aren’t covered.

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            He is an outlier. Simply impossible for me and most of other people to be so selfless, social, patient and dedicated.

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            I really love that story. He is a better person than me. I really wish I still had hope for my fellow man like he does, but trump’s second election fucking broke me. People who I used to think were smart and empathetic were jumping on the “fuck your feelings” bandwagon.

            I’ve lost hope. I’ve lost love. I only have anger anymore.

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              People who I used to think were smart and empathetic were jumping on the “fuck your feelings” bandwagon.

              I don’t know your friends. But I’d argue there’s at least some reasoning for this.
              If trade policies like globalization have harmed your economic status, offshoring a lot of the jobs you’d previously held, and you were having trouble feeding your family, wouldn’t you vote for the person you thought could fix this? Wouldn’t you say ‘fuck your feelings, I need to feed my family so I’m sorry if you have trouble putting the sex you want on your passport I’m more worried about feeding my family’? At least in concept?

              I think that’s where a lot of that sentiment came from. The people of the nation are hurting, and part of Trump’s message always was ‘I see you hurting and I want to fix it’. Dems are totally tone deaf in their messaging. A huge % of the populace gets left out of the ‘American Dream’ and they say nothing. And in recent years they focus a lot on social justice issues and identity politics while ignoring the elephant in the room. It’s why those good people are saying fuck your feelings (IMHO at least), because if the choice is your feelings or their livelihood, then of course they’ll tell your feelings to shove off.

              Of course it didn’t work out that way- government cutbacks, tariffs, foreign policy, all handled in such a ham-fisted non-strategic way that whatever benefit might have been gained was instead lost. And now it’s the little guy suffering, so you see a lot of people renouncing their votes.

              All I’m saying is keep in mind some of those people who said ‘fuck your feelings’ thought they were fighting for a greater good. I don’t believe they turned malicious. Some did I’m sure, but not all of them.

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                  No worries my friend. I know it’s hard, but it’s useful to always assume good faith.

                  “The monster never sees a monster in the mirror. We all have good reasons and justifications for what we do.” – J. Michael Straczynski

                  That applies to us too.

                  I think it especially applied in 2016, first time in my life that all pretense of respectful debate went away, replaced with ‘unfriend me if you like Trump’ as a mainstream accepted even encouraged position to have.
                  I talk to a lot of people who supported Trump. Most of them talked about tariffs, manufacturing, jobs, there was a dream of bringing back American industry and rolling back outsourcing. Yes there was some assholes, but there were plenty of good American folks who just wanted to keep their jobs.
                  But if you listened to Democrats, the only valid reason anyone would vote for Trump is because they are a tiki torch wielding racist misogynist sexist xenophobic islamophobic basket of deplorables. The public discourse broke down for good, it was all just insults from both sides.

                  Nobody saw a monster in the mirror. We only saw an opposition supporting a guy who was basically openly racist and creeped on his own daughter.
                  But they didn’t see a monster in the mirror either. They only saw an ivory tower elite whipping ourselves into a frenzy over which bathroom someone uses while the middle class is dying.

                  That’s why, in my opinion at least, it is always vitally important to generally assume good faith on the part of your opposition. Because if there is good faith, then we repair the cracks that are dividing the country. And if there really isn’t good faith, then we are all totally fucked anyway so it doesn’t make any goddamn difference.

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            I’d argue he isn’t tolerating white supremacy, he’s found a good way to counteract it. If he tolerated it he wouldn’t do anything.

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              It’s BY tolerating it (or more specifically, the people who espouse it) that he fights it.

              And I think that’s the key difference- tolerating intolerance (the action), vs tolerating the intolerant (the people).

              I think we would all (probably including Mr. Davis) agree that the action of intolerance should not be tolerated. For example, if a local movie theater wants to have ‘whites only’ movie nights, that should not be tolerated and in fact we should all aggressively fight back against such things wherever they happen.

              But what of the intolerant person? What of the theater owner in the above example? Should we run him out of town? Tar and feather him? Refuse to talk to him?
              The KKK folks he encountered are used to intolerance- threats, shouting, protests, etc. They know they’re not popular, but that helps feed the belief that they are right. They’re used to it. They’re NOT used to being welcomed by anti-racists.

              And thus Mr. Davis got through to the racist- by tolerating the intolerant, not by tolerating intolerance. It’s a subtle but vital difference.

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                There’s two wolves in me. One ages with this and the other says nazi punks fuck off and thinks they should be punched.

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                  I think that’s called conflict exhaustion. You’re sick of fighting, sick of holding your nose and respecting things and people you find repugnant, while there’s little/no serious progress in your direction, it seems like there’s more racism and hatred than ever. So part of you is ready to set the world on fire if it gets rid of MAGA and all the thinly veiled (or not so thinly veiled) racism and intolerance.

                  Just keep in mind that the dark wolf actually serves those nazi punks. Punching them only makes them stronger.

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            I don’t know that he didn’t get it. He just hadn’t a different method of fighting back. Not everyone is going to be able to go around knocking them out. The vast majority of people won’t in fact. There are still other tools they can use to stop the spread, or, in rare cases, reverse it. You have to be careful to not legitimize it though if you’re doing something like that.

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              This thread got me thinking a little more about Mr. Davis.

              We talk about ‘not tolerating intolerance’ but I think there’s a second level-- there’s the intolerance (the actions of the racist), and then there’s the intolerant (the racists themselves). It’s easy and simple to group the two together- we don’t want racism, we don’t want the KKK, we don’t want KKK members, all of you go fuck yourselves with your burning cross and go die in a fire (preferably in another county).

              I don’t think Mr. Davis would tolerate intolerance any more than you or I. But I think what he does is tolerate the intolerant person, engage them in conversation, treat them like a human being. And THAT can help fix intolerance- by reaching out to the intolerant people and trying to bring them into the larger community and heal them, rather than shunning them and reinforcing their stereotypes.

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                Yep, and it has the potential to be very effective. I think we need both of these —punching Nazis and talking with them to change their views.

                Another big issue that goes with this is a lot of people will say that if their were bigots once then they should be shunned. This is very harmful though. If we do that then their only reasonable option is to double down. If they lose their group and also can’t be accepted by the rest of society then they’re never going to do that.

                I think this problem is much larger than only this right now too. People make their opinions equal to them as a person. They feel if they change their opinion then they’re failing as a person. This isn’t true though. Changing your opinions when you’re shown new information is a sign of strength.

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            Do the Nazis ever claim they are intolerant of minorities because the minorities were intolerant to them?

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              Unironically yes? Replacement theory, blood libel, global elitism… Whatever the angle, lots of -isms expouse roots in victimhood.

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          That view is fine and dandy with an an omniscient lens of who’s the reactionary intolerant and who is the originator of intolerance.

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            Group A: “I am intolerant of (group) because they need to go back to their own country and not live in mine.”

            Group B: “I am intolerant of (group) because they don’t tolerate other ethnicities.”

            This guy: “but who was intolerant first?”

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              Wrong question. It doesn’t matter who was “first”.

              If the first group stops, the problem is gone.
              If the second group stops, the problem is not gone but likely growing.

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                You both completely miss the argument. Cile is strawmanning, vas is again viewing from the omniscient or opposing viewpoint.

                Virtually all intolerants perceive themselves as victims. Permitting “intolerance of intolerance” is just accelerationist, “might makes right” ideology.

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                  This just feels like an enlightened centrist take or worse, playing cover for bigotry.

                  Cile is less strawmanning and more exemplifying the absurdity of applying this mentality to literal Nazis and white supremacists.

                  Can you give an example of your assertion, historical or imagined, where we SHOULDN’T act against acts of intolerance due to some muddying factor?

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    So I infrequently use Imgur and basically a user got banned for saying ‘kill all nazis’ and another user’s post got taken down that had anti-nazi rhetoric. This is the most recent of a few scenarios where the mods have been seen as incompetent or overall shitty and so the community revolts. Honestly kinda dig it, at least they can coordinate and show a unified front…granted it’s slacktivism to a point but it gets people’s attention? Idk how I feel about it honestly.

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      People talk of Imgur being a leftist echo chamber. I have had more than enough neoliberal types on there argue about the benefits of capitalism to me or that we shouldn’t have worker solidarity. I feel when these events happen, it’s part legitimately pissed of users but a lot of people just riding the up vote wagon.

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    It still surprises me that people use Imgur as a social media site. Imgur to me is a place that hosts image to be used on other social media sites. Using imgur as a social media site is like using a url shortener as a social media site. What’s next, Captcha becomes a social media hangout?

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      Hosting is half of it, but the user-submitted section is a thriving social ecosystem. It’s a lot like reddit or Lemmy, but all submissions are image-based only with sizable comment sections attached like anywhere else. I was very involved there 12 years back and enjoyed it quite a lot. I tried really hard to earn my green (highest karma) badge, but I believe I got second or third highest before running out of steam. You had a profile full of badges and stuff, and users actually valued karma there, unlike on reddit or Lemmy.

      But the mood changed other time and it became a hub for bullshit, sob stories and very tired, very played-out jokes. Then the eventual UI changes drove the nail in the coffin and I found it unusable.

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      Imgur has been pretty shit at hosting images for other sites for about a decade because it’s trying very hard to keep people captive on its site. They added ways to prevent hotlinking and if I paste an imgur link in a chat, starting with i., supposedly a direct link to the image, the preview will not work and the page the link sends to will always open their whole site around that image. They really really want people to stay on there, and interact, or watch ads. AFAIK they have made that change about a decade ago as they wanted to monetize.

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      My neighbor uses Imgur as his main social media. I take that with a grain of salt though since he’s a millenial who only used flip phones til 2022, there are dozens like him, dozens!

      • I’m so old I remember the first post. Hey you can host images for reddit here. The other image hosting sites at the time sucked, they were slow, purged content frequently, and were full of ads. I signed up immediately and imgur was good for almost 10 years and nearly the only place images from reddit reddit users were hosted. I think the pressure to monetize combined with reddit’s own image hosting push sent them into the enshitification death spiral.

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          I never signed up, mainly because there was never any need to sign up. You could just go there, paste an image, and get a link to it.

          Why would you sign up? It would be like signing up to use a URL shortener.

          • If you save the images to your account, you can repost them when the thread calls for it.

            eg I have a photo of my foot when I broke it off at the ankle. It comes up occasionally and the link is still usable years later. You also have more control over visibility (and posting to Imgur users etc, ie don’t).

            For throwaway memes you’ll never want to share again, treating it like a url shortener is great.

            I was also looking to support good non advertising startups at the time, the 2000s we were still excited about what an open web would become, before enshitification became the norm.

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      I used it that way for years. It’s better for memes than fediverse or Reddit, except for two things: 1 occasionally the user base freaks the fuck out and starts spamming the same thing, like this. I don’t like Nazis, but that also means I don’t want literally everything on my funny picture site to be about keeping them out. 2 increasingly all the popular stuff isn’t memes at all, but shitting on trump and musk. See point 1.

      Then they blocked the UK because they didn’t want to put an age field on their registration form (note this is not to do with age verification)

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        1 occasionally the user base freaks the fuck out and starts spamming the same thing, like this. I don’t like Nazis, but that also means I don’t want literally everything on my funny picture site to be about keeping them out

        Browse under certain tags. It wont be 100% gone but its better. I recommend starting with viewing the “Caturday” Tag.

        https://imgur.com/t/caturday

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        1 occasionally the user base freaks the fuck out and starts spamming the same thing, like this. I don’t like Nazis, but that also means I don’t want literally everything on my funny picture site to be about keeping them out. 2 increasingly all the popular stuff isn’t memes at all, but shitting on trump and musk.

        Doesnt sound all that different from here especially on #1, case in point beans, jeans and more recently corn for some reason

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    You know what? I don’t care what kicked it off. I don’t care if it’s a billionaire paying for bots. I’m just glad that the kind of people that get programmed by social media to vote for horrible shit might finally get programmed to do some good for a change.

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    It is always okay to punch Nazis. You don’t need a reason. (serious answer though: I have no idea what kicked it off, my comment still stands though, it’s always okay to punch Nazis.)

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    The only reason any of these people have power is because we, as a society, continue to use their shit… Get the fuck off Twitter, get the fuck off Reddit, get the fuck off Facebook. Make those companies worthless by not using them it’s literally so easy. I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir here but God damn it’s literally so easy, just read a book. Touch some grass. We weren’t ready for the internet and it’s time to turn it off.

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      I’m really waiting for this idea to catch on. I got online in the late 80s to get away from normies and their boring, repetitive normie mind-viruses. Back then it was just nerds talking to other nerds. Nowadays you can’t even talk to your friends here. This whole thing is for people to get angry about politics and buy products. The sooner all these people leave, the sooner we can get back to what originally brought us here.

      Hopefully soon, going on social media will be seen as a bad antisocial habit like smoking.

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      Idiots weren’t ready for the internet.

      If people would get out of walled garden bot ridden bullshit, the internet could be great.

      What non nerds use today is not internet. I like to call it Corpo-Net. Because these people never venture outside their billionaire facist websites.

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          Im not sure having laws policing the internet is a good idea. Educating the populous and defunding propaganda advertising would be a better move.

          Also I do agree with bizzle, people need to just turn it off more often (Go see Running Man if you haven’t. Exact parallels to our current state. )

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      Get the fuck off Twitter, get the fuck off Reddit, get the fuck off Facebook.

      I mean, way ahead of you. But we’re just jerking each other off if we think saying this downthread of a Lemmy post is changing anyone’s mind. This is the most Preaching To The Choir ass post you can make outside of an actual church.

      We weren’t ready for the internet and it’s time to turn it off.

      eye-roll

      Listen, if you want to walk around downtown with a big sandwich board that says “Log The Fuck Off And Touch Grass”, I’ll cheer for you when I see you. But there’s a reason people flock to an easily accessible portal for social engagement. And its naive to keep shouting “Log the fuck off!” from within the medium you can’t seem to quit yourself.

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      I mean they got to power using those things so I’m not sure just handing over that sphere of influence is the best strategy.

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      We weren’t ready for the internet and it’s time to turn it off.

      Did you write all that on the internet? Or did you scrawl it in ballpoint pen in the back of a book you’re reading?

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          No it’s because you can’t type the not equal symbol very easily. If you type it it won’t work because most compilers aren’t expecting it.

          But you know your fact is nicer than the boring reality

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          I thought it had more to do with the fact that there isn’t a ≠ key on most people’s keyboards.

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            My editor’s font/ligeratue changes the != To that symbol when programming. Unfortunately I have to use visual basic usually and type out Not most of the tiime but works well with C#.

            Probably not a big increase in readability but I like it. Damn hate all the words needed in VB.net but oh well, could not be programming for work which would be worse and least still know .net libraries.

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            Well, that’s because they removed it after WW2. The original IBM keyboard had this, and other Nazi symbolism. (IBM collaborated with the Nazis, if you weren’t aware)

            Another fun fact: the Windows logo today is where the swastika used to be. If you look closely, you can see how the swastika’s influence on Microsoft’s iconic logo persists to this very day

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          Sauce required plz

          “I wrote it on the internet” isn’t a good enough sauce for ppl, it’s tasteless

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            This is not one thing you learned today come on dude just think about it for two seconds. Could there possibly by another, much more likely reason that a programming language wouldn’t use ≠? Here’s a hint- if you’re at a computer, look down at your keyboard.

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              I mean, if the point you’re trying to make is that “≠” is not available on a keyboard, =/= is.

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                What’s your point? =/= Isn’t the “not equals to” term, it’s !=

                Just as ≥ isn’t available, so you have >= and ≈ is not on the keyboard, so we have ==

                Formal logical operators require the you to press the alt key and enter a numerical sequence on the keypad. If I had to type the logical operators with alt codes it would slow me down.

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    A lot of reddit users, especially those who have recently been permabanned due to the great censorship purge, are just hanging out there now. Not much censorship.

    It’s super antifa. I scroll there a lot when I’m in a meme mood.

    I’d say it started going hard political around the same time as everything else. February 2025.

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      Yep I split my time between Lemmy and Imgur to fill the void after leaving reddit, cause Lemmy alone unfortunately isn’t enough to show you everything there was to see on reddit.

      That said, be warned that it’s corporate owners have no problems with collecting as much data as they can off your phone and selling it to anyone who’s buying. Just look at this shit:

      So if you do decide to go there, do yourself a favor and wear a condom. Install DuckDuckGo and enable “app tracking protection”, and get a DNS-level adblocker on your phone as well. AdGuard or NextDNS are both fine choices.

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        I just gave up imgur myself for voicing an opinion of civil disobedience and then told why don’t I go there myself with a gun and start shooting. Nuance seems to be dead everywhere.

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        +1 for AdGuard DNS. Using apps without it is a damn nightmare. Almost thought my phone had some kind of virus the other day when I temporarily turned it off and then opened mapquest

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        Thanks that’s good info to have.

        I’m hearing they are starting to censor but that must be kinda new.

        Too bad.

        It was, as you say, a decent reddit alternative for images/memes.